Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 13:00:33 -0400
To: acqnet_at_lists.ala.org
I don't necessarily object to hosting fees. Though, I did object to the Sage hosting fees which they imposed after we had bought significant content and had not informed us of them in advance. I think the $500 is high but that is just me in comparison to other content providers many of which cap them at $300. I also believe we need to understand the fees and possible future increases at the time we purchase content. At one time, they had separate fees for content on the CQ platform from the Sage platform. They still have separate maintenance fees for Journal backfiles (so far as I can tell but we don't have them). I do think all libraries need to decide what their tolerance level is for hosting fees as they do add up. We find that the APA $150 / title does not work for us so we don't buy their content. There are other publishers who have fees per title (or range of titles) that had no maximum - we did not accept that either. All these fees add up and limit new content that we can purchase. Once you buy into the fee structure - you have to live with it or you may have to decide to abandon content you paid for if it does not perform. We had a consortial DDA where we purchased as a group 2-300 titles and when the program ended - the maintenance fees exceed what we thought the value of the titles so we dropped them. We constantly try to negotiate maintenance fees for databases / archival purchases / ebooks at levels we can support going forward. I have one database where the maintenance fess have increased through inflation to the point where even though we "paid" for it - we are considering dropping it as the cost seems to exceed its value. As for the Jstor comparison, we stopped adding new Jstor collections when it was clear that it was going to be impossible to find the funds to pay the additional maintenance even when we could purchase the content. We picked up again and purchased new collections when the option to purchase with perpetual access (no maintenance) was offered. Mike --------------------------------------- Mike Poulin Head of Collection Management Professor in the University Libraries Colgate University Libraries 13 Oak Drive Hamilton, NY 13346 315-228-7025 fax: 315-228-7934 mpoulin_at_colgate.edu On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 12:09 PM, Steve Oberg <steve.oberg_at_wheaton.edu> wrote: > The following is stated a bit tongue-in-cheek, but not entirely. > > > > Look, let’s face it: ebooks are serials wannabes. It may seem jarring to > some used to the relatively neat and tidy print monograph world, but it’s > not a complete surprise to those steeped in the realities of the serials > realm as Jill points out. > > > > Hosting fees (or whatever else a particular publisher chooses to call it) > are increasingly common. It’s important to understand what that pays for or > gets you as a customer, and how that fits into a broader perspective of > content you purchase from any particular publisher. Again, seconding Jill > here. In my local environment, our acq. folks try to negotiate as fair a > deal as they can in these situations, and move on. If a hosting fee is > really substantial, however, or dramatically increases in price year to > year, just like we do with journal subscriptions, we flag that for closer > scrutiny. > > > > Steve > > > > > > *From: *<acqnet-request_at_lists.ala.org> on behalf of Jill Emery < > acqnet_at_lists.ala.org> > *Reply-To: *"acqnet_at_lists.ala.org" <acqnet_at_lists.ala.org> > *Date: *Wednesday, April 25, 2018 at 10:50 AM > *To: *"acqnet_at_lists.ala.org" <acqnet_at_lists.ala.org> > > *Subject: *Re: [ALCTS-acqnet] Sage Handbook Hosting Fee > > > > I find this thread interesting. Librarians are willing to pay thousands of > dollars to JSTOR for annual access fees on each collection they sell but > not to individual publishers for single and important reference works we > think are valuable to our libraries? There are infrastructure costs even > with single books and server/cloud costs associated with that hosting. > Librarians generally buy reference works on cycles of 2-5 year intervals. > Im not sure I understand why the costs Sage are asking for are onerous. > > APA charges $150 per handbook and if I remember correctly their cap is > something like $1,500 or $3,000. > > > > Would you accept this fee if it was just part of the cost of the reference > work like Wiley and other publishers do? > > > > Also, if you have other backfiles with Sage where you pay an annual access > fee such as on a historical collection or on journal runs, then you've have > met the $500 cap and do not have to pay on individual titles. With Sage, at > least, there is a cap in the hundreds and there is transparency in what the > cost supports. > > > > Jill > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Atwell, Mary <atwell_at_hood.edu> wrote: > > Thanks Mike and Lindsey! Will have to keep this in mind for future > purchases. I’m not sure I agree with this practice; if a single ebook is > purchased, we shouldn’t have to pay an annual access fee. It’s much more > palatable to pay an access fee for a purchased database rather than a > single book. But, it’s my fault for not looking at the agreement more > closely. Will do so in the future! > > > > Mary > > > > *From:* acqnet-request_at_lists.ala.org [mailto:acqnet-request_at_lists.ala.org] > *On Behalf Of *Mike Poulin > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:37 AM > *To:* acqnet_at_lists.ala.org > *Subject:* Re: [ALCTS-acqnet] Sage Handbook Hosting Fee > > > > That is their policy - up to a $500 / year maintenance fee. We just don't > buy on their platform due to it. Some other publishers charge an annual > maintenance fee but it generally is much lower as a cap and the per title > cost is much too high. > > > > Mike > > > --------------------------------------- > Mike Poulin > Head of Collection Management > Professor in the University Libraries > Colgate University Libraries > 13 Oak Drive > <https://maps.google.com/?q=13+Oak+Drive+%0D%0AHamilton,+NY+13346&entry=gmail&source=g> > Hamilton, NY 13346 > 315-228-7025 > fax: 315-228-7934 > mpoulin_at_colgate.edu > > > > On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Atwell, Mary <atwell_at_hood.edu> wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I’ve been in collections development for 3 years now and just received a > $25 hosting fee invoice for a Sage handbook title we purchased last year. > I verified that the bill is real, and am waiting for additional > clarification, but this seems so odd. Am I missing something? We have > hosting fees for database purchases, but I’ve never seen one for a single > e-book title. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Mary > > > > Mary Atwell > > Archivist and CDS Librarian > > 401 Rosemont Ave., Frederick, MD > <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+Rosemont+Ave.,+Frederick,+MD+21701&entry=gmail&source=g> > 21701 > <https://maps.google.com/?q=401+Rosemont+Ave.,+Frederick,+MD+21701&entry=gmail&source=g> > > Phone 301-696-3873, 3933 > > Email atwell_at_hood.edu > > > > [image: > http://125.hood.edu/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/4C_125_HoodLogo_Horz_Email.jpg] > > > > > > > > >
