Re: Video of "Think Different"

From: Karen Coyle <lists_at_nyob>
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:14:36 -0800
To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
On 11/11/12 1:58 PM, Dan Matei wrote:
> My Paris example is a bad one :-( My point is: "lexical co-location" 
> is could be valuable for the user. Suppose I'm looking for 
> "Stockhausen" (knowing exactly that I mean Karlheinz S.). But if the 
> name "Markus Stockhausen" is shown to me after K.S., maybe this way I 
> find out that Karlheinz has a son, composer too. Dan 

Dan,

But if there was a daughter Mabel who marries Mr. Smith and becomes 
Mabel Smith... :-)

What you have working for you here is serendipity, and even your Paris 
example could work sometimes because of the serendipity. (How many of us 
find ourselves reading nearby words when we've done a dictionary 
look-up, just because we can?) However, using my earlier criterion: is 
this the best solution for the user? I'd say that what you've described 
here seems to me to be a role for a "see also" relationship -- which 
then wouldn't rely on the accident of language. So your example provides 
some serendipity, but if your intention is to get users to "nearby 
persons" then some other mechanism will be needed. I worry that 
alphabetical order may be deceptive in a fair number of cases because it 
looks so... complete.

Which leads me to something else that I have been thinking about (and 
that I presented briefly in my talk), which is the way that alphabetic 
collocation brings together things that have nothing to do with each 
other, and separates related concepts. So you get alphabetical runs that 
go like:

ball
ball-bearing
ball boy
ballet
ballistic
balloon
ballot
ballroom

and you've gone through a whole lot of different concepts, from sports 
to classical dance, military themes, toys (or weather), voting and 
architecture. Where terms or roots have been combined (ball and 
ball-bearing) there might be something that would help a searcher, but 
the connection between "ball" and "ballroom" has probably been lost 
because the intervening terms are unrelated to one of the meanings of 
the root "ball" (an event) and the user will probably give up before 
reaching "ballroom." (Oh, and then there is the question of spaces and 
punctuation -- I love to trot out the ALA filing rules for non-librarian 
friends. They get a good laugh out of it. I could cry.)

Many of these problems of using terms out of context (and alphabetical 
order is out of context) also pertain to keyword searching, which I 
think works primarily for proper nouns or for clearly named concepts 
("solar energy"). As I've said before, there are many concepts that are 
hard to search on because they don't have clear, agreed on names, or 
because the term has multiple meanings (python, library, pluto). And 
there is no way to search on a concept that you cannot name.

*sigh*

kc

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