Re: Cataloging Matters Podcast #12

From: James Weinheimer <weinheimer.jim.l_at_nyob>
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:23:01 +0200
To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
On 10/08/2011 15:42, Todd Puccio wrote:
<snip>
My point is that the catalog presents information that is useful to all 
patrons. If there is information (such as the publication date) which is 
not needed for one patron, then they are free to ignore that extra 
information. If there is information that they want that isn't provided 
in the catalog, then they are free to consult other resources to get 
that information. Cutter's principles are not "sacred", but they are 
still valid. That information is there for the "patrons" that need it to 
help in the selection of materials.
</snip>

and

<snip>
This highlights a few truths -
1 - Patrons don't always know exactly what they need/want
2 - Patrons think they are asking simple questions - when indeed the 
answers are not that simple
3 - Patrons need to be educated about their choices. This is true in any 
service sector
4 - We will still need librarians to conduct a good reference interview 
to help the user identify their true needs
Which brings us to our shared goals here
--- We can try to design catalog user interfaces that better help a 
variety of patrons find materials in a variety of ways.
</snip>

I agree with much of this, except for "My point is that the catalog 
presents information that is useful to all patrons." As I tried to 
demonstrate, a lot of patrons don't find much of the information in a 
catalog useful. People have been complaining at least since Panizzi's 
time, by the way. For instance, do you care if something was published 
by Random or by Verso? Will you choose one over another? I might prefer 
a book published in 2009 to one published in 1958 if it's a book on the 
political situation of Italy (and perhaps not, depending on my 
interests), but if it's just another version of Huck Finn, I probably 
don't care. And as librarians, we should silently accept these feelings 
from the patrons and not insist that they need to be educated to 
actually *care* about these details, because they don't--just as we 
don't when we are being patrons.

As librarians, who are responsible for managing the collection and not 
wasting library resources by adding a bunch of duplicates, then that 
information becomes important. If I am a selector, I need publication 
information for each item. Just having authors and titles is not enough 
to make a decision to buy a new copy of, e.g. Huck Finn, because it may 
already be in the collection. Therefore, I as the selector, do not want 
to have to run down into the stacks each and every time I am thinking 
about buying a new version of Huck Finn. One copy is enough and if I buy 
a second copy, somebody will yell at me for wasting the library's 
budget. I go into this in much more detail in my chapter of 
"Conversations with catalogers in the 21st century" (available for free 
at http://eprints.rclis.org/handle/10760/15838)

Continuing on, while I agree that people searching for information have 
a lot to learn, it has proven to be very difficult to get them to *want* 
to learn, or even being *open* to learn, especially with the younger 
generations who are in love with Google. And this concerns reference. I 
agree that people need reference help, but patrons will respond that 
they neither t have nor need reference help with Google. They just 
figure it out themselves to discover what they need and Google does the 
rest. Yes, this is very naive but you can't say so. Therefore, I have 
discovered that you must be *very gentle* saying anything bad about 
Google because people are very quick to jump to its defense, or worse: 
they just tune you out.

People need help searching for reliable information, contextualizing it, 
and understanding it coherently--I completely agree. But placing a 
reference librarian at the desk is no longer the solution, if it ever 
was. Placing a link in the catalog with a direct line to a reference 
librarian is also not a solution since few people click on those things. 
Somehow this must be integrated into the entire scheme of things. I keep 
thinking that we need to build the "killer library app", but even 
assuming we could build it, what would it do?

-- 
James Weinheimer  weinheimer.jim.l_at_gmail.com
First Thus: http://catalogingmatters.blogspot.com/
Cooperative Cataloging Rules: http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/
Received on Thu Aug 11 2011 - 10:24:26 EDT