Re: Participation in the NGC4LIB list (was: mailing list administratativa)

From: john g marr <jmarr_at_nyob>
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:57:32 -0600
To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, B.G. Sloan wrote:

>   I think John Marr is missing my point.

  Was your point that "some NGC4LIB subscribers probably don't post to the 
list because they may be concerned about being treated rudely"?

  If so, then my point was that those people who are reluctant to post 
because they sense personal offense can accept responsibility to rephrase 
the rhetoric back on point in order to neutralize the perceived personal 
rudeness and respond impersonally, rather than allowing themselves to be 
intimidated by the rudeness.

  We simply can't allow all the manipulative rudeness (much of it 
intentional) in the world to continue uncontested, but the only practical 
way to neutralize it is to not take it personally and avoid being 
distracted or becoming defensive in response.

   Heck, we don't want to stop it entirely-- rudeness, besides being 
entertaining (re. as political "talking-heads" claim), is a quality 
symptom of manipulative rhetoric which allows us to counter the latter 
(rather that the rude "person") or at least practice doing so.

> I don't think anyone would be crazy enough to dispute that.

  First, one need not be "crazy" to evaluate your perception (and "crazy" 
is an emotionally charged, personally-attacking and manipulative word 
usually utilized to be distracting and prevent rational response).

   2nd, I don't dispute your perception of the problem.  It is at least 
valid as your perception, and it was stated flexibly.  It makes a good 
working hypothesis, and you seem to allow for other possible reasons for 
the reluctance (if that is even what it always is).  I merely perceive 
your particular perception to be potentially deconstructive (possibly 
attacking one side and patronizing the other) and prefer to seek a 
depersonalized solution that permits both contesting parties ("rude" or 
"reluctant") to be more effective and less emotionally distracted (see 
above).

>   Personally, I really like it when folks post 
> spirited-and-sometimes-contentious notes to NGC4LIB. It would be a 
> REALLY boring list without that.

  You got that right!  In fact, a lot of people who are not posting may 
simply be enjoying the contentiousness as entertainment and not feel any 
need (or have the time) to participate beyond that.  They just don't see 
the value of a good challenge!

Cheers!

  jgm
                                             John G. Marr
                                             Cataloger
                                             CDS, UL
                                             Univ. of New Mexico
                                             Albuquerque, NM 87131
                                             jmarr_at_unm.edu
                                             jmarr_at_flash.net


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Received on Mon Jun 28 2010 - 21:58:39 EDT