Re: Adding EAD to the 'layer of discovery'?

Thanks again.  I definitely need to find out more about how Blacklight works when I can.

To be clear, though, I wasn't only comparing those two files in order to do my un-scientific testing, I was actually performing a few different searches (I only resorted to looking at the MARCXML version of the record since I didn't know how to get a "full view" of what was indexed).

Here's another example, which retrieves zero results:
http://virgobeta.lib.virginia.edu/catalog?q=Poynter+fellowship+at+Indiana+University&qt=search 

But that exact phrase ("Poynter fellowship at Indiana University") appears in the EAD for the Merrill D. Peterson Papers:
http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/uva-sc/viu01901.xml (/ead/archdesc/bioghist/p[3])

But, you're definitely right:  I still don't know what's being indexed by Blacklight.  

Of course, I know that the entire EAD can be indexed, as evidenced by the NWDA site (http://nwda.projectblacklight.org/).  But in that case, I don't think that they're mixing up MARC records, EAD records, etc. (and that, really, was the impetus behind my question).

In any event, I'll certainly try to follow up with someone there in order to figure out more about it,


Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 12:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Adding EAD to the 'layer of discovery'?

Just because the .xml version does not show you the EAD does not mean 
it's not being indexed. I believe they are indexing both MARC and EAD 
associated with a single 'record'; the .xml view in BL is only showing 
you the MARC, but the EAD is being indexed as well. But you'd have to 
talk to them for details, perhaps I'm wrong, but looking at that ".xml" 
is not sufficient reverse engineering, that's not showing you a 
representation of what's been indexed for that record, it's just showing 
you a MARC xml representation that may not represent everything that's 
been indexed.



Jonathan



Custer, Mark wrote:
> Thanks, Jonathan.  Yes, I also posted this same message originally to the EAD listserv as well.  Nevertheless, I couldn't find an example where they were indexing their entire EAD.
>
> Example:
>
> Where
> http://virgobeta.lib.virginia.edu/catalog/u3544275.xml
>
> is not equal to
> http://ead.lib.virginia.edu/vivaead/published/uva-sc/viu03544.xml
> (see the <dsc> section at the end of the file, which contains a lot of other information in those <unittitle> sections).
>
> Which, to me, looks like everything is still basically being mapped to MARC fields.  
>
>
>
> A slightly more in-depth example is the most excellent "Collections Search Center" at the Smithsonian Institution.  
>
> Here's an example:
> http://collections.si.edu/search/results.jsp?q=Florence+Knoll+Bassett
>
> If you use that "expand" function in the upper right-hand corner, you'll notice that the metadata returned also contains a variety of "Note Snippet(s)".  All of that information is being pulled from other sections of the EAD that they had also decided to index (still, I don't think that they're including the <dsc> sections of the EAD).
>
> Again though, I'm not suggesting that the entire EAD should be included in the OPAC, I'm just trying to figure out who is doing so right now.  Right now, the only examples that I could find that are including what I'd call the "entire" EAD records, are the two that I mentioned earlier.   
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:15 AM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Adding EAD to the 'layer of discovery'?
>
> Custer, Mark wrote:
>   
>> First off, I'd like to thank both Tod and Derek for their very informative responses.  Right now, AquaBrowser and the TRLN Endeca-based system are still the only two live implementations that I know of that are searching full MARC records side-by-side with full EAD records.  I think that Blacklight is capable of this "out-of-the-box" as well, but I just don't know of any live sites that are indexing both.
>>   
>>     
> I am fairly sure that UVa's Blacklight implementation is indeed indexing 
> both native EAD and MARC, although I'm not sure it can be described as 
> 'out of the box' exactly.  You should talk to them. Didn't one of them 
> actually respond in this thread maybe?
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>