Quoting "Walker, David" <dwalker_at_CALSTATE.EDU>:
> When is that due out, do you know?
They meet with the judge on November 9 and must have the new draft by
then. So Nov. 9 or earlier.
kc
>
> --Dave
>
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> David Walker
> Library Web Services Manager
> California State University
> http://xerxes.calstate.edu
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> [NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of B.G. Sloan [bgsloan2_at_YAHOO.COM]
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> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] "Limited" Google Books Search ?
>
> I'm waiting for the revised settlement agreement before I try to
> decipher anything else.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/2/09, Walker, David <dwalker_at_CALSTATE.EDU> wrote:
>
>
> From: Walker, David <dwalker_at_CALSTATE.EDU>
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] "Limited" Google Books Search ?
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 4:30 PM
>
>
> Thanks, Ed. I guess it helps to read the "Definitions" section of
> the document. :-P
>
> Section 4.1 (c) says that "Google may work through intermediaries to
> sell Institutional Subscriptions." I wonder, then, if maybe
> libraries will be able to license smaller sets of Google Book Search
> though one of these "intermediaries," maybe like how we are
> licensing Safari books through Proquest?
>
> --Dave
>
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> David Walker
> Library Web Services Manager
> California State University
> http://xerxes.calstate.edu
> ________________________________________
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> [NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Ed Jones [ejones_at_NU.EDU]
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 12:19 PM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] "Limited" Google Books Search ?
>
> Limited Subscription is defined in 1.83 as "an Institutional
> Subscription offered to a library that allows the subscribing
> library access only to the Books Digitized from that library, or
> only to the Books held by that library."
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Walker, David
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:30 AM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: [NGC4LIB] "Limited" Google Books Search ?
>
> Section 4.1 (a)(vi)(1)(b) of the proposed Google Book Search
> settlement [1], in talking about "institutional subscriptions," says:
>
> Subscription for each of the classes of institutions identified in
> Section 4.1(a)(iv) (Pricing Bands), including Institutional
> Subscriptions for each of the discipline-based collections that may
> be offered, Institutional Subscriptions that provide access to the
> entire Institutional Subscription Database, and any Limited
> Subscriptions.
>
> As far as I can tell, "Limited Subscriptions" is nowhere else
> defined in the document. I'm curious is if anyone has any insight
> into this?
>
> I ask because, the document says in an earlier section that
> institutional subscriptions will be based on "prices for comparable
> products and services." Based on what we're paying now for, say,
> Safari, I'm guessing a 10-million (or so) volume e-book collection
> is going to be VERY expensive.
>
> Further, the document says that Google can (only?) offer two
> "versions" of subscriptions: (1) the entire database, or (2)
> "discipline-based collections."
>
> It seems to me, though, that if an undergraduate institution cannot
> afford the entire GBS database -- which I think may be entirely
> likely -- "discipline-based" collections won't be a suitable
> alternative. It's not like we would only buy a Sociology GBS
> collection, for example, and tell everyone else they're out of luck.
>
> So I think there is a need for a version of Google Book Search that
> would span all disciplines, but not include all books. A kind of
> Google Book Search Elite (compared to Premiere or Complete), to
> borrow an Ebsco naming convention.
>
> I wonder, then, if the "Limited Subscription" is just such a thing?
>
> --Dave
>
> [1] http://books.google.com/booksrightsholders/Settlement-Agreement.zip
>
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> David Walker
> Library Web Services Manager
> California State University
> http://xerxes.calstate.edu
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