Re: Tim Berners-Lee on the Semantic Web

From: Karen Coyle <lists_at_nyob>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:54:42 -0700
To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Dan Matei wrote:
> Work:
>
> 	Title: 	The Conquest of Bread (en)
> 	Title: 	Conquête du pain (fr)
> 	Title: 	??? (ru)
> 	Date:		1892 
>   

Dan, this seems nice, but it isn't what is defined in FRBR or RDA. The 
Work entity only has the "work title," which is the original title. So 
you won't have these other titles in the Work entity. If there is a Work 
with links to Expressions, then you could traverse that link and find 
the Expression titles, which is what you have here. However, what I hear 
from folks who do cataloging is that you are sitting there with the 
manifestation in hand. If you aren't working in a large database, or if 
you are the first one to catalog the item (those two situations are 
functionally equivalent), all the information you have is on that book 
you are holding. No info on expressions, no info on Work.

FRBR seems to work best when you already have a large database of 
bibliographic data. You can then bring records together based on the 
information in them as a collection.

When you say:
 
>
> There will be an expression entity linked from the Work,  via "is realised through" relationship:
>   

That sounds good, but where is that happening? Take my example: I have 
this Kropotkin book in English. I don't have it in French and I don't 
even know that French is the original language. What are the steps I 
take to create my catalog record? Am I working in a huge database, like 
OCLC? What if I am working in my local catalog?

I like the idea of relationships between WEMI entities, but I fear that 
oftentimes they require knowledge that the cataloger does not have and 
other records that the cataloger does not have access to. I also don't 
know what those links will consist of. I think the FRBR folks had in 
mind a relational database model (as Tom Delsey often says), in which 
the DBMS has a "private" way of linking tables that isn't valid outside 
of the DBMS. But that doesn't allow us to share those links, since in 
each of our systems they are different. We CAN share names and subjects 
because we each have the same link to the authority record (either the 
authoritative string or the authority record number, usually the former 
today).

It seems that to make WEMI work we need a universe of bibliographic data 
that can interact. (Uh, linked data?) And that universe has to be ... 
universal. If nothing else, a cataloger should be able to toss what they 
have into that space and find out if there is more info available. It's 
like getting copy cataloging from OCLC, but the copy that comes back may 
be links to other entities. But names and subjects work already because 
the links are there.

This essentially is my doubt about WEMI -- I can't figure out how to 
create the entities in a sharable way that doesn't require there to be 
one and only one system holding the entities.

kc



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