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From: Jonathan Rochkind <rochkind_at_JHU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:49:09 -0400
> I believe in all Berne convention countries, a copyright doesn't exist
> until text is set down in physical form, so it's not a legal object in
> that way, i dont' think, until it exists _somewhere_. (Maybe only in
> manuscript form, but that's still a manifestation, even if it's locked
> in a bank vault somewhere and you don't have it.)
Of course, I gave an "edge case". But as my math teacher told us (> 40 years ago): "if you want to see it clear, push-
it to the limit" !
>
> How can you catalog something that doesn't exist, anyway?
>
What about Aristotle's "On Laughter" ? :-)
> general practice, which to me only leads to confusion. We don't
> generally catalog abstractions, we catalog information resources (and in
> my opinion sets of information resources like 'works', to the extent
> that even today we sometimes attach "non preferred headings" (aka "lead
> in terms") to uniform title records, essentially attaching an attribute
> to the 'work', to the set of manifestations belonging to this work. But
> the cases you'd create a uniform title record for something which has
> _no_ manifestations anywhere are vanishingly few, if existing at all,
> and I don't think that's a coincidence. )
We could agree on terminology: we do not "catalog" works (as we do not catalog concepts). But we produce records for a
lot of abstractions... Let's say a record for a work is an authority record (an "upgrading" of the uniform title
record).
Moreover an "edition" (i.e. manifestation) is not an abstraction ? Is it tangible ? Or only its n "incarnations" (i.e.
its exemplars, i.e. its items are tangible ?
Dan
PS.
In FRBRoo/CRM parlance (see http://cidoc.ics.forth.gr/docs/frbr_oo/frbr_docs/FRBRoo_V1.0_draft__2009_may_.pdf, page 28 -
29):
Work < Propositional object < Conceptual object < Legal Object < Thing < Persistent item < CRM Entity
Expression < Information object < Symbolic object < Conceptual object < Legal Object < Thing < Persistent item < CRM
Entity
Manifestation < Legal Object < Thing < Persistent item < CRM Entity
Manifestation singleton < Physical man-made thing < Physical thing < Legal Object < Thing < Persistent item < CRM Entity
Item < Information carrier < Man-made object < Physical man-made thing < Physical thing < Legal Object < Thing <
Persistent item < CRM Entity
Received on Wed Oct 21 2009 - 17:46:28 EDT