Nathan asked: "...if all the data from the 100s of sources Google uses weren't free but had a price tag - and Google had more limited funds - what would they choose?"
Do we know for sure that none of the metadata sources Google uses don't have a price tag? They may already be paying something for many of them.
As far as Google having more limited funds.... :-)
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Rinne, Nathan (ESC) <RinneN_at_DISTRICT279.ORG> wrote:
> From: Rinne, Nathan (ESC) <RinneN_at_DISTRICT279.ORG>
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] $$$ Library data is the best $$$
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 8:43 AM
> Bernie,
>
> I just want to admit that you have a really good point,
> which I'd be foolish to discount. After all, I did say
> that if we gave the data away it *will be* perceived as
> valueless....
>
> That may be true some, or even most of the time, but not
> all the time. I can't say, for example, that a
> library-using scholar who knew the value of the data and was
> also an excellent computer programmer would all of a sudden
> not appreciate it if it were given to him for free...
>
> Still, when we are dealing with limited funds, we do need
> to make choices - and I submit that the question therefore
> does have some relevance in that it makes us think about
> what we would pay for. (I know that a lot of the stuff
> I get for free on the web [podcasts] I would not pay for if
> I had to, either because I may be able to get acceptable
> alternatives for free, or because I can't afford it)
>
> So, if all the data from the 100s of sources Google uses
> weren't free but had a price tag - and Google had more
> limited funds - what would they choose?
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan Rinne
>
> Media Cataloging Technician
>
> Educational Service Center
>
> 11200 93rd Avenue North
>
> Maple Grove MN. 55369
>
> Email: rinnen_at_district279.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
> On Behalf Of Rinne, Nathan (ESC)
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] $$$ Library data is the best $$$
>
> Bernie,
>
> I understand what you are saying. After all, they do
> say that the best things in life are free, and I agree with
> that. So... I guess we'd have to ask: if they were
> both 40.00 and you only had 40.00, what would you do? : )
>
> Regards,
>
> Nathan Rinne
>
> Media Cataloging Technician
>
> Educational Service Center
>
> 11200 93rd Avenue North
>
> Maple Grove MN. 55369
>
> Email: rinnen_at_district279.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
> On Behalf Of B.G. Sloan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] $$$ Library data is the best $$$
>
> Nathan said: "The question you need to ask is whether you
> would pay for the NY Times online."
>
> The NY Times used to charge for much of its online content.
> I didn't pay for it. Now that it's free I use it a lot, and
> I value it highly.
>
> The second example I used is sort of the reverse. I used to
> get access to Birds of North America Online for free. Then
> my free access stopped. I now pay $40 a year. I don't value
> it any more highly now because I pay for it.
>
> --- On Wed, 9/16/09, Rinne, Nathan (ESC) <RinneN_at_DISTRICT279.ORG>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Rinne, Nathan (ESC) <RinneN_at_DISTRICT279.ORG>
> > Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] $$$ Library data is the best
> $$$
> > To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 11:50 AM
> > Bernie,
> >
> > What appeared between the "..." in that quote from
> Jane
> > Jacobs' earlier
> > post was the reason for her making the statements that
> she
> > did. She put
> > forth some pretty convincing actual evidence (dealing
> with
> > pharmaceuticals) to support her view, which,
> generally
> > speaking, if not
> > true all the time and in every circumstance, is at
> least
> > true part of
> > the time in some circumstances.
> >
> > "The web is full of free things that people value
> highly. I
> > value my
> > daily use of of the NY Times online. Would I value it
> more
> > if I had to
> > pay for it? No."
> >
> > The question you need to ask is whether you would pay
> for
> > the NY Times
> > online. I also consume vast quantities of free
> online
> > content (isn't it
> > great?), much that I really do value and like. But
> > how much of it would
> > I pay for if I had to? That would cause me to think
> > more critically -
> > and have to make some tough decisions about which
> valuable
> > stuff I
> > really felt I needed to buy.
> >
> > Also, let me clarify that I was not saying we should
> be
> > selling our data
> > for $ - just saying how immensely valuable it is.
> >
> >
> > Back to my point about how we need to be a little more
> bold
> > about
> > touting the valuable stuff we have (in other words,
> how
> > could we best
> > argue for our infrastructure?) First of all, we
> must
> > more deeply
> > realize - or even begin to realize? - that we will not
> be
> > able to
> > improve any technique or service ***unless we look
> > carefully at exactly
> > what makes it work when it works just as much as what
> makes
> > it fail when
> > it fails*** (see David Bade's stuff)
> >
> > Thankfully, we - *and others to* - can do this with
> our
> > stuff, because
> > it is open and transparent. With Google, its all an
> > insider's game.
> > Again, it doesn't bother us now...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nathan Rinne
> >
> > Media Cataloging Technician
> >
> > Educational Service Center
> >
> > 11200 93rd Avenue North
> >
> > Maple Grove MN. 55369
> >
> > Email: rinnen_at_district279.org
> >
> > Nathan Rinne
> >
> > Media Cataloging Technician
> >
> > Educational Service Center
> >
> > 11200 93rd Avenue North
> >
> > Maple Grove MN. 55369
> >
> > Email: rinnen_at_district279.org
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> > [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
> > On Behalf Of B.G. Sloan
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 10:35 AM
> > To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> > Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] $$$ Library data is the best
> $$$
> >
> > Nathan Rinne cites Jane Jacobs' earlier post where
> she
> > says:
> >
> > "As for the rest of the non-bibliographic world,
> perhaps
> > the data is
> > perceived as lacking in value BECAUSE it is largely
> > free!...I really
> > think that it may be the availability NOT the
> > inaccessibility of MARC
> > records that make some people ignore them or question
> their
> > value!"
> >
> > In other words: people don't value things they get
> for
> > free. I don't
> > know that I buy into that adage anymore. It seems
> rather
> > old school in
> > this day and age. The web is full of free things that
> > people value
> > highly. I value my daily use of of the NY Times
> online.
> > Would I value it
> > more if I had to pay for it? No. I pay $40 a year for
> a
> > subscription to
> > Cornell University's Birds of North America Online, a
> > resource I consult
> > often. Would I value it less if I got it for free?
> No.
> >
> > Bernie Sloan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Received on Fri Sep 18 2009 - 20:01:46 EDT