Re: Three years of NGC4LIB - reflections?

I agree with this entirely.

Sadly, as a profession, I think we have been abandoned by our branch of 
the academy.  The library schools in large academic libraries who have 
the capacity to provide R&D for us, have largely abandoned us for 
non-library business domains.  Because that's where the money is.  

Jonathan

Ross Singer wrote:
> I guess the question that comes up in my mind again and again to this
> issue is, "where are the library schools in all this"?
>
> If the graduate degree is so important to the profession (and lord
> knows I know how important the degree is), where is the research and
> the scholarship and the experimentation and the proofs-of-concept from
> the academy that can be applied to the real world environments?
>
> -Ross.
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 7:57 PM, B.G. Sloan <bgsloan2_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> Ross,
>>
>> Once again I understand where you're coming from. For many years I worked for an organization that provided an OPAC for a group of academic libraries that ranged from very small private colleges all the way up to ARL institutions. I know from that experience that "academic libraries" are not a monolithic group. So maybe I should clarify what I said before...
>>
>> A lot of the active contributors to NGC4LIB seem (to me) to be affiliated with research institutions, and probably are (or used to be, in my case) academic librarians at research institutions. And I'm not sure there's a consenus within that group.
>>
>> Bernie Sloan
>>
>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ross Singer <rossfsinger_at_GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>
>> From: Ross Singer <rossfsinger_at_GMAIL.COM>
>> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Three years of NGC4LIB - reflections?
>> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:42 PM
>>
>> Well, to take the argument even further, couldn't it be that it still
>> applies?
>>
>> I don't think that we're all our own unique little snowflakes (to crib
>> a good quote from Jonathan Rochkind) like we tend to insist, but the
>> granularity /may/ be finer than:
>>
>> Academic or Public or Special or K-12
>>
>> Does the huge public research university that serves 30K+ really have
>> the same needs as a small liberal arts college?
>>
>> It may, I'm not sure.
>>
>> I guess the fundamental questions, that we can't seem to answer are:
>>
>> 1) What is a catalog?
>> 2) Do we need it?
>> 3) If yes, why?
>>
>> Maybe if we can reconcile why we need it, we can start addressing an outcome.
>>
>> -Ross.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 6:59 PM, B.G. Sloan <bgsloan2_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Ross Singer said:
>>>
>>> "Isn't it possible that this may be saying that different
>>>       
>> 'kinds' of libraries have different sorts of needs?  Perhaps trying to
>> speak as one voice is getting in the way of getting stuff done?"
>>     
>>> Yeah, I can see that point. But a lot of the active contributors to
>>>       
>> NGC4LIB seem (to me) to be affiliated with academic institutions, and probably
>> are (or used to be, in my case) academic librarians. And I'm not sure
>> there's a consenus within that group.
>>     
>>> Bernie Sloan
>>> Sora Associates
>>> Bloomington, IN
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 3/11/09, Ross Singer <rossfsinger_at_GMAIL.COM> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Ross Singer <rossfsinger_at_GMAIL.COM>
>>> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Three years of NGC4LIB - reflections?
>>> To: NGC4LIB_at_LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>>> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:40 AM
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:58 PM, B.G. Sloan <bgsloan2_at_yahoo.com>
>>>       
>> wrote:
>>     
>>>> NGC4LIB listowner Eric Lease Morgan said:
>>>>
>>>> "Alas, I naively thought this list would enable us to come to
>>>>         
>> some
>>     
>>> sort of consensus about the way our library-related applications ought to
>>> function or we might be able speak with a single voice to people who
>>>       
>> create such
>>     
>>> things."
>>>       
>>>> You're not alone. I naively thought the same thing. Oh well...
>>>>         
>>> Isn't it possible that this may be saying that different
>>>       
>> "kinds" of libraries have different sorts of needs?  Perhaps trying
>> to speak as
>>     
>>> one voice is getting in the way of getting stuff done?
>>>
>>> -Ross.
>>>
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