Janet Hill said: "I detest the natural language question form of online inquiry".
Just wanted to clarify that I didn't use a natural language question form. I just searched keywords.
Martha said: "My husband and I were feeding stale bread to some coots on Echo Park Lake (in a neighborhood park near our house), when I was suddenly conscience-stricken at the realization that I didn't actually know if stale bread was good for coots."
I summarized this as: "Is bread bad for coots?" Then I did keyword searches to get the answer.
Bernie Sloan
Janet Hill <Janet.Hill_at_COLORADO.EDU> wrote:
Isn't this odd. I had an entirely different interpretation of "the issue".
That is, I took it merely as an example of limitations of "free dialog"
question boxes. Whether it's Google's, or Ask Jeeves, or whatever.
It's fascinating (and maybe not unexpected) that the conversation has
wandered around so much, and encompassed issues such as physical location of
information, the reference interview, etc.
Would I have formulated the question differently? I don't know, but I
suspect that it wouldn't have occurred to me to ask a question in the form
of "is bread bad for coots?" Then again .... I detest the natural language
question form of online inquiry, so I probably wouldn't have done a search
that way anyway.
janet
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Hi from Tasmania
When I asked Google "can I feed coots bread?", which was really what Martha
wanted to know, rather than 'what do they eat?' my first google doc said:
"Bread does not contain all the nutrients that these wild birds need, so try
feeding them grass and seeds instead." and although it was referring to wild
birds more generally it mentioned coots as well
My third google document said:
"Coots feed mainly on vegetable matter but will eat food scraps given by
Garden visitors"
I think someone mentioned in this thread previously that it depends on how
you ask the question - I would say that you need to be specific. Google is
clever, but it doesnt read minds ... yet!!
Erica
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Sent: Thu 31/01/2008 12:36 AM
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Martha Yee writes:
...When I got home, I typed in to Google's famous search box
"what do coots eat?" The reply that came back was a web site
entitled "What do eagles eat?" In the list of eagle edibles
was coots.
In LCSH, the heading Coots--Food would give you perfect recall
and precision for monographs wholly about what coots eat, if
there were any....
Unfortunately, Google undermines your argument. For a Google
search on "coots food" the first hit is:
American Coot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
American Coot foraging for food. American Coot foraging for food.
These birds can dive for food but can also forage on land. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Coot - 26k - Cached - Similar pages -
From the Wikipedia article:
They are omnivorous, eating plant material, insects, fish, and
other aquatic animals.
Not that I consider Wikipedia an authoritative source...
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