As Jackie Shieh pointed out, there is a great deal of information about
ONIX for Books at http://www.bisg.org/documents/onix.html and about both
ONIX for Books and ONIX for Serials at http://www.editeur.org/.
Brian Green, executive director of EDItEUR, reports the following regarding
ONIX for Books:
"ONIX records are normally created by publishers or agencies acting on
their behalf. ONIX has a very full set of data elements, designed to
provide potential buyers with all the information they may need to make a
buying decision. The standard is structured to allow it to be extensible
and is freely available from the EDItEUR website http://www.editeur.org/."
"It was never designed for cataloguing, although Library of Congress and
others are taking ONIX records from publishers in order to enhance their
OPACS with reviews, jacket illustrations and other stuff that users are
getting used to seeing on Internet bookselling sites."
ONIX for Serials is a more recent project undertaken cooperatively by NISO
and EDItEUR. There are three separate formats, described in detail at
http://www.editeur.org/onixserials.html. Both ONIX for Books and ONIX for
Serials are designed as communication formats rather than cataloging
records, although the data being communicated could definitely feed into
the next generation of catalogs. ONIX for Serials in particular has
addressed some of the questions that have been discussed recently on this
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From: "B.G. Sloan" <bgsloan2_at_YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Responses to LC Working Group re
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Just to make sure we're talking about the same thing, I am referring to the Universal Digital Library. The project is funded partially by the NSF. Partcipants include Carnegie Mellon, Bibliotheca Alexandria in Egypt, Zhejiang University in China and the Indian Institute of Science. Several other Indian and Chinese universities participate as well.
I took a quick look at the system. Searching seems to be a liitle weak. It does not search the digitized text. The basic search is limited to words in the title. Subject searching is very rudimentary...the subject search in "advanced search" lists only 32-33 broad general subject categories to classify 1.5 million items. And the "browse the collection" isn't any better, what with only about a dozen subject categories to browse.
So, it looks like not as much effort was put into usability as was put into scanning and building the collection.
Bernie Sloan
"Rinne, Nathan (ESC)" <RinneN_at_DISTRICT279.ORG> wrote:
"That resource has such primitive searching capabilities...almost as if
building the collection was top priority, without much thought given to
how to access what's in the collection."
Hmmmm... Bernie, could you point me to any resources that might really
unpack this idea that you are expressing here? I am trying to better
understand what you may be getting at, thinking that it *sounds like*
you are perhaps expressing a perceived dichotomy like the following:
"building the collection to be "captured" / stored / ossified with use
as an afterthought...]" and "organizing the collection to optimize
findability / browsability / concept/idea-exploring for users".
Or said a different way, knowledge as content vs knowledge as process.
Regards,
Nathan Rinne
Media Cataloging Technician
ISD 279 - Educational Service Center (ESC)
11200 93rd Ave. North
Maple Grove, MN. 55369
Work phone: 763-391-7183
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Jim Weinheimer said:
"Imagine this system with all of Google Books, Microsoft Live Books,
and the Universal Library, plus other materials as well."
It's difficult to imagine this working with the Universal Library.
That resource has such primitive searching capabilities...almost as if
building the collection was top priority, without much thought given to
how to access what's in the collection.
Bernie Sloan
Weinheimer Jim wrote:
Bernhard Eversberg wrote:
> .... when not counting GoogleBooksearch as well as WorldCat and all
> libraries in English-speaking countries.
> The trouble is that to do a successful LCSH search you need to have
> a valid term first and type it in correctly.
> Lacking one, you might want to browse in an index tosee what's
> available:
> http://www.biblio.tu-bs.de/db/lcsh/
>
> Once you find a promising term here, the display catapults you into
> Google or WorldCat right away. And yes, LibraryThing too, although
with
> a somewhat lower chance for success. As of yet...
I think this is such an important project of Bernhard's that I use it
instead of the official LC version. As an example of how it could work,
I would suggest you look at the Online Books page under a specific
heading, e.g. Wrongful imprisonment
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/webbin/book/browse?type=lcsubc&key=
Wrongful%20imprisonment
The user sees the cross-reference to False imprisonment, then you click
on it and you see the Broader and Narrower terms, plus links to specific
items, some of which I don't understand how they were retrieved, but all
quite pertinent to the search.
With more and better cross-references (based on how people really
search, taking tips from logfiles, social tagging, other thesauri or
subject headings, along with other resources), plus some creative
thinking, I believe that users would prefer this to "relevance ranking"
although it too, could be retained. Imagine this system with all of
Google Books, Microsoft Live Books, and the Universal Library, plus
other materials as well.
Finally, if this were connected to a "concept server" (where the concept
gets a number instead of a text string), many other thesauri and subject
heading systems could be included and the use increases enormously for
everyone.
James Weinheimer
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etween works, manifestations and expressions.
The ONIX formats continue to be enhanced. Comments, questions and
suggestions about the ONIX formats and their documentation are always
appreciated.
Kathy Klemperer
(for EDItEUR)
At 06:29 PM 12/7/2007, you wrote:
>Can someone fill me in about ONIX? Namely, are companies, as opposed to
>libraries, the ones generally using it for bib data creation? Does it cost
>to use it? Not knowing the answers to those first questions, I will also
>ask: does it seem that this is a standard that we in libraries would adopt
>to create bibliographic records? From the little I know of it, it seems to
>be extensive in terms of what you can include--is that true? Aside from
>being extensive (if it is), is it also extensible? Would it serve our
>patrons' traditional and emerging needs? How easy or hard is it to use for
>all concerned, i.e. catalogers, database people, etc.?
>
>Thanks,
>Sue Ann Gardner
>
> .
> }
>{ Sue Ann Gardner, MLS
>. } Associate Professor/Cataloging & Metadata
>{ 322 Love Library, Technical Services
> } University of Nebraska-Lincoln
>{ . Lincoln, NE 68588-4100 USA
> } 402-472-3545, ...2-2534 (fax)
> { sgardner2_at_unl.edu
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