Rob.
From my reading of Martha's work, I think the biggest difference is that
we are trying to address the 'entities' in the marc data as being
unique-ish global resources, whereas, and I admit I have not consumed
all Martha's documents, it appears most predicates in Martha's schemas
are literals, in much the same way that Ian Davis' lossless marc to rdf
transliteration was.
The obvious difference, is our work is still undocumented, and nothing
like as rich in domain detail, yet.
Dan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
[mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Rob Styles
Sent: 03 December 2007 10:26
To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] FW: [NGC4LIB] Martha Yee's cataloging rules for a
more FRBR-ized catalog, with an RDF model
Martha,
No I hadn't seen this, it's useful work. Great examples in there. I'd
love to see some example RDF based on the rules - that might clarify
some of Karen's questions.
Dan posted a query to the list before, to let you guys see what our data
looks like, here's the tinyurl version (that works)...
http://tinyurl.com/3xpxdc
Karen, Martha, How does that compare with what you were thinking?
rob
On 30 Nov 2007, at 17:44, Martha Yee wrote:
> Have either of you looked at the RDF model at my web site
> (http://myee.bol.ucla.edu) yet? Unless I am misunderstanding you, I
> believe these rules and this RDF model are trying to do what you are
> asking us to do... The question for me is whether our current
> deprofessionalized staffing is capable of implementing such a complex
> set of rules and such a complex model...
>
> Martha
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu]On Behalf Of Riley, Jenn
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:14 AM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Martha Yee's cataloging rules for a more
> FRBR-ized catalog, with an RDF model
>
>
>> Martha Yee wrote:
>>> I have written elsewhere about the fact that our rules and our
>> cataloging
>>> data are already considerably FRBR-ized and that what is lacking for
>> the
>>> creation of true FRBR-ized catalogs is adequate software support.
>>
>> Martha, you and I have discussed this at length, so you know that I
>> disagree that the problem lies with systems. It is true that
>> bibliographic records are very rich and contain a lot of important
>> data.
>> However, as long as bib data continues to be expressed as text
>> strings that require human interpretation, systems will NOT be able
>> to make use of the underlying concepts. This is one of the great
>> errors in the RDA drafts that we have seen: the bibliographic
>> description continues to be textual in nature, with relationships
>> left as implicit in that text. We need rules that can make explicit
>> what today is implicit. And we need a bibliographic record carrier
>> that can carry those explicit expressions.
>
> Surely, now, the problem is to some degree both with the data and the
> systems. There is a great deal more systems could do with our existing
> data, but our current data structures also in some cases make it
> significantly more difficult than it should be (and sometimes
> impossible) for systems to do more advanced things imagined by this
> group.
>
> I see much of the current debate about why our catalogs don't function
> better as finger-pointing -- "if only *they* (some group other than
> mine)
> would do it better..." I think to move forward we need to accept that
> all of us have something to contribute, and take responsibility for
> making that contribution. I have every hope that the work that has
> been done to improve systems will demonstrate some of the
> possibilities, and in turn both inspire more innovative system
> development and expose areas in which our data could be
> better-structured in order to enable more robust discovery and use
> services.
>
> Jenn
>
>
> ========================
> Jenn Riley
> Metadata Librarian
> Digital Library Program
> Indiana University - Bloomington
> Wells Library W501
> (812) 856-5759
> www.dlib.indiana.edu
>
> Inquiring Librarian blog: www.inquiringlibrarian.blogspot.com
Received on Mon Dec 03 2007 - 06:06:44 EST