Well, we haven't necessarily been too successful. It's very difficult
stuff to talk about, it's so very abstract.
The list I was talking about is the RDA-L list.
Coyle and Hillman have tried to put together some notes on what they
envision as a framework here:
http://futurelib.pbwiki.com/Framework
Two of my posts can be seen on my blog:
http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2007/04/20/two-meanings-of-identifier/
http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2007/04/23/cataloging-still-must-change-but-not-like-that/
Jonathan
Rinne, Nathan (ESC) wrote:
> Jonathan Rochkind said:
>
> "Yes, I like using URIs for _identifiers_ for authorities too. Karen
> Coyle, Diane Hillman and I have been trying to argue/explain that on
> some of the cataloger lists...
>
> Note that a URI does not necessarily need to dereference to a web page!
> Even if it does, that doesn't mean we're "replacing our authorities with
> web pages'."
>
> Jonathan, I would really like to get a handle on all of this stuff much
> better. On which cataloger lists have you, Karen Coyle, and Diane
> Hillman been arguing and explaining this?
>
> Thanks,
> Nathan Rinne
> Media Cataloging Technician
> ISD 279 - Educational Service Center (ESC)
> 11200 93rd Ave. North
> Maple Grove, MN. 55369
> Work phone: 763-391-7183
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan Rochkind
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Author Identification/Disambiguation [was:Next
> Gen Catalog and FRBR]
>
> Yes, I like using URIs for _identifiers_ for authorities too. Karen
> Coyle, Diane Hillman and I have been trying to argue/explain that on
> some of the cataloger lists.
>
> Right now we use "Smith, John" as an identifier. A soft transition to
> using URIs for identifiers instead has a lot of advantages.
>
> To me this is an entirely different topic though! Note that a URI does
> not neccessarily need to dereference to a web page! Even if it does,
> that doesn't mean we're "replacing our authorities with web pages".
>
> Jonathan
>
> Casey Bisson wrote:
>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> This is nuanced, so hopefully I don't butcher it, but...
>>
>> I really like the idea of using URIs for authorities, rather than
>> "Smith, John."
>>
>> A user might be able to navigate to that URI and see a web page
>> representing a certain, specific author, but to the machine that URI
>> is simply a piece of metadata identifying that author.
>>
>> The URI would open the door to the creation of author records, but
>> that's another can of worms...
>>
>> Don't mistake me though, I'm all for authority control and good
>> metadata.
>>
>> --Casey
>>
>>
>> On May 14, 2007, at 5:46 PM, Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I said this before, but I'll say it again. I know what you mean,
>>> Thomas,
>>> but please don't say that "authorities should morph into web
>>> pages". An
>>> authority record is _data_ (or metadata, anyway), a web page is a
>>> _particular presentation_. We can not replace authority work
>>> "with web
>>> pages".
>>>
>>> But we CAN and I agree our systems SHOULD be producing interfaces
>>>
> like
>
>>> you talk about. So the question is how we do that, if the authority
>>> data we have now is sufficient to support that interface, what
>>> feasible
>>> changes can or should be made to our authority control pratices to
>>> better support that sort of interface, and other sorts of flexible
>>> interfaces we want to provide. We DO need authority data that will
>>> support that kind of interface. We don't get that by "making web
>>> pages"
>>> though. The web pages are the result of good metadata practices, they
>>> are a product.
>>>
>>> We need authority control processes that support multiple flexible
>>> interfaces by NOT assuming any one particular interface. Not a card
>>> catalog, and not one particular kind of web page either. And 'a web
>>> page' is certainly not a substitute for an authority control
>>>
> practice!
>
>>> So I know what you mean, but please stop saying that! It only makes
>>> people who think you DO mean it scared that you are trying to
>>> dismantle
>>> authority control, which seems to be the response anytime anyone
>>> brings
>>> up modernization ideas.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>
>> Casey Bisson
>> __________________________________________
>>
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>> Plymouth State University
>> Plymouth, New Hampshire
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Jonathan Rochkind
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> The Sheridan Libraries
> Johns Hopkins University
> 410.516.8886
> rochkind (at) jhu.edu
>
>
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Jonathan Rochkind
Sr. Programmer/Analyst
The Sheridan Libraries
Johns Hopkins University
410.516.8886
rochkind (at) jhu.edu
Received on Tue May 15 2007 - 10:04:13 EDT