There were a number of services that used classification early on
to provide a form of facet, but not surfaced as we think of them
being surfaced today. For all I know some of these in their
current form do surface these in intelligent ways now - at the
time it would have been very difficult. For example, you might
use the Zoological Record taxonomic index to restrict your search
to items that fell into the value "aves" and all of its
submembers in the facet of "family" (or whatever it would be
called) when looking for items on migration. That could easily be
presented in the same way as guided navigation is presented now.
Or in Medline, if looking for materials on hospital libraries,
you could use the classification to specify "as information
services" rather than "as costs centers". Dagobert Soergel, among
others, has done work in this area - see his presentations
archived as part of the various NKOS workshops -
http://nkos.slis.kent.edu/.
I don't think of the Northern Light folders or Vivisimo/Clusty
folders as facets - at least not in the same sense as we
normally use the term (if a normal use exists). Their clustering
is/was based on so many different kinds of things, including
domain name, title words, content, and (n the case of NL) some
intellectually derived classification.
Also, I worry in all of this that we need to make a distinction
between usability and performance. It's one thing to ask whether
a presentation method makes the process of navigation easier,
makes people happier, and makes them feel in more control, and
it's another to ask whether they are getting the right/relevant
information (however we define "right/relevant") in a timely
manner.
Candy
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Candy Schwartz, Professor
GLSIS, Simmons College, Boston, Mass.
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. what is in this "next generation" library catalog thing?
(10)
> 2. working group on the future of bibliographic control (2)
> 3. Workshop announcement - Metadata Standards and
> Applications, April 25-26,
> Davis, CA
> 4. Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact? (6)
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> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:55:20 -0400
> From: Jonathan Rochkind <rochkind_at_JHU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Karen Coyle wrote:
> > Tom Keays wrote:
> >> Bad form. Following up on my own post. I also wonder why
Google
> >> doesn't expose Google Books content in their general search
engine
> >> results?
> > The main reason, which came up at the LC meeting at Google
> last week, is
> > that they don't have a way yet to rank the books.
> Ha! See, we can't just "go what Google does". Even Google
hasn't yet
> figured out a way to "do what Google does" with books.
>
> I know that most people on this list know this, but one of my
> continual
> frustrations is people in the library world that think "Gee, we
just
> need to do what Google does." As if there aren't any hard
> problems left
> to solve, Google has solved them all. Google is just this
> business, man!
>
> But this anecdote will certainly be what I bring up next time
> I have to
> deal with someone from the "Do we have to worry about any of
> this stuff
> anymore? Can't we just let Google do it all" school..
>
> Jonathan
>
> > And even if they
> > figure out how to rank the books, how will they interleave
> the ranked
> > books and the ranked web pages? What is the relative rank
> between the
> > book ranked #1 and the article ranked #1 if the ranking
criteria are
> > different? And they will be different, as Dan Clancy said at
the
> > meeting, because, as he explains it, the web is already
> organized and
> > "ranked" through user-provided links. There is no
> user-provided ranking
> > in a set of books.
> >
> > A key thing to remember is that Google is not so much a
> search engine as
> > it is a ranking engine. Searching is the easy part, and
> lots of other
> > systems also do it. It's the ranking that makes Google
useful.
> >
> > kc
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------
> > Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant
> > kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net
> > ph.: 510-540-7596
> > fx.: 510-848-3913
> > mo.: 510-435-8234
> > ------------------------------------
> >
>
> --
> Jonathan Rochkind
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> The Sheridan Libraries
> Johns Hopkins University
> 410.516.8886
> rochkind (at) jhu.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:32:15 -0400
> From: Eric Lease Morgan <emorgan_at_ND.EDU>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we need
to
> think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> generation' library thing":
>
> * Why "collect"? Don't you mean "provide access to" or
> "provide records that link to"? --Dan Lester
>
> * To me the question is not "what's in it?" but "what does
it
> connect to?" and "what are it's services?" --Karen Coyle
>
> * And I got: I want to help people build their own personal
> branch of the One Big Library, and to help them build
their own
> customized catalogue to that branch. --William Denton
>
> IMHO, collections without services are useless, and services
without
> collections are empty. A library needs both collections AND
services
> in order to practice librarianship.
>
> One part of librarianship is collection and preservation.
Copying
> things locally is not necessary for providing services against
an
> index (catalog), but creating local collections, whether they
be
> analog or digital, does offer two additional opportunities: 1)
it
> allows you to archive/preserve the materials, and 2) it
provides a
> way to index and display content in ways better meeting the
needs of
> your clientele. Put other ways, "Lot's of copies keep stuff
safe",
> and "I don't need your stinkin' interface, just give me the
data."
>
> A few years ago there was an Internet mantra, "Content is
king."
> These days it seem to be more like, "Context is king", but I
believe
> it is really a combination of the two. Content and context.
> Collections and services. Great libraries will provide both.
>
> --
> Eric Lease Morgan
> University Libraries of Notre Dame
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:09:14 -0400
> From: Tom Keays <tomkeays_at_GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> OK. But consider this. When I searched "Vernor Vinge rainbow's
end" in
> Google, a single sponsored link for the book listing at Amazon
> appeared.
>
> Anyway, regardless of ranking schemes, Google has "keyed
searches"
> (searches that partition the results by type) -- i.e., the same
search
> can give results specific for images, books, articles (Google
> Scholar), blogs, etc. (I suppose we would call these faceted
searches
> these days except they push you into separate interfaces.)
>
> If those keys were more obvious in the interface, the sort of
thing we
> are talking about would be possible. As it is, Google provides
>
> Web
> Images
> Video
> News
> Maps
> more >
>
> in their simple interface, so getting to other results is not
obvious.
> The more > tab pushes a DOM popup with further options
>
> Blogs
> Books
> Froogle
> Groups
> Patents
> Scholar
> even more >
>
> Google periodically changes things around. I recall that
Froogle was
> in the main page previously and neither Books nor Scholar were
on the
> more > popup.
>
> Tom
>
> On 3/18/07, Karen Coyle <kcoyle_at_kcoyle.net> wrote:
> > Tom Keays wrote:
> > > Bad form. Following up on my own post. I also wonder why
Google
> > > doesn't expose Google Books content in their general search
engine
> > > results?
> > The main reason, which came up at the LC meeting at Google
> last week, is
> > that they don't have a way yet to rank the books. And even if
they
> > figure out how to rank the books, how will they interleave
> the ranked
> > books and the ranked web pages?
>
> --
> Tom
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:26:52 -0400
> From: Eric Lease Morgan <emorgan_at_ND.EDU>
> Subject: working group on the future of bibliographic control
>
> working_group_on_the_future_of_bibliographic_control++ for
beginning
> a nation-wide process of evaluating metadata and its uses. See:
>
> http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/
>
> working_group_on_the_future_of_bibliographic_control-- for not
> allowing the site to support feedback/comments.
>
> --
> Eric Lease Morgan
> University Libraries of Notre Dame
>
> (574) 631-8604
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:34:03 -0400
> From: Jonathan Rochkind <rochkind_at_JHU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Part of 'collections' is the _choosing_ what to
include---whether it's
> hosted locally or remotely. That is probably the important
> part---whether it should be hosted locally or remotely is a
> question of
> what service we want to provide, and whether that service CAN
> be hosted
> remotely at the level we want, or whether it needs to be
> hosted locally.
> And what the costs associated with both are. For both digital
OR
> physical items! Many of our libraries even host physical
> items off site.
> Of course, hosting digital items off site is generally more
feasible,
> with less drop of service quality to the patron. But as Eric
says,
> hosting digital content locally may let you offer better
quality
> service. And there's also the issue of preservation---but
> libraries are
> now exploring even preservations off-site and consortial, for
both
> physical and digital. (What's the company/consortium that
acquires
> perpetual archiving rights to digital materials so your library
can
> subscribe to it, instead of worrying about it themselves?).
>
> In the present and future, our collections will be
> multi-levelled. We'll
> have some things on site. We'll have some things off site.
We'll have
> some things provided by vendors, and some things provided by
> consortial
> arrangements. We'll have some things that we "curate", and some
things
> that we help the users find out in the big wide Information
Universe
> that we didn't choose at all.
>
> There's a really good article on "what is a collection" in the
digital
> age, that's like 10 years old already but still good--but now I
can't
> remember enough about the citation to find the article!
> (How's that for
> a reference question). If I could remember it, I'd reccommend
it.
> Despite being 10 years old, it's about the exact same
convesrsation we
> are having now---to me indicating how SHORT a distance our
profession
> has gone in the past 10 years. We are not dealing with what we
need to
> be dealing with.
>
> Jonathan
>
> Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> > Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we
need to
> > think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> > generation' library thing":
> >
> > * Why "collect"? Don't you mean "provide access to" or
> > "provide records that link to"? --Dan Lester
> >
> > * To me the question is not "what's in it?" but "what does
it
> > connect to?" and "what are it's services?" --Karen Coyle
> >
> > * And I got: I want to help people build their own personal
> > branch of the One Big Library, and to help them build
their own
> > customized catalogue to that branch. --William Denton
> >
> > IMHO, collections without services are useless, and services
without
> > collections are empty. A library needs both collections AND
services
> > in order to practice librarianship.
> >
> > One part of librarianship is collection and preservation.
Copying
> > things locally is not necessary for providing services
against an
> > index (catalog), but creating local collections, whether they
be
> > analog or digital, does offer two additional opportunities:
1) it
> > allows you to archive/preserve the materials, and 2) it
provides a
> > way to index and display content in ways better meeting the
needs of
> > your clientele. Put other ways, "Lot's of copies keep stuff
safe",
> > and "I don't need your stinkin' interface, just give me the
data."
> >
> > A few years ago there was an Internet mantra, "Content is
king."
> > These days it seem to be more like, "Context is king", but I
believe
> > it is really a combination of the two. Content and context.
> > Collections and services. Great libraries will provide both.
> >
> > --
> > Eric Lease Morgan
> > University Libraries of Notre Dame
> >
>
> --
> Jonathan Rochkind
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> The Sheridan Libraries
> Johns Hopkins University
> 410.516.8886
> rochkind (at) jhu.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:36:35 -0500
> From: "Andrews, Mark J." <MarkAndrews_at_CREIGHTON.EDU>
> Subject: Re: working group on the future of bibliographic
control
>
> Perhaps we need a shadow "Working Group on the Future of
Bibliographic
> Control" so everyone outside LC can decide what we're doing -
with
> feedback and comments at their site?
>
> Mark Andrews, Creighton University
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Eric Lease Morgan
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Subject: [NGC4LIB] working group on the future of
> bibliographic control
>
> working_group_on_the_future_of_bibliographic_control++ for
beginning
> a nation-wide process of evaluating metadata and its uses. See:
>
> http://www.loc.gov/bibliographic-future/
>
> working_group_on_the_future_of_bibliographic_control-- for not
> allowing the site to support feedback/comments.
>
> --
> Eric Lease Morgan
> University Libraries of Notre Dame
>
> (574) 631-8604
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:49:17 -0400
> From: Jonathan Rochkind <rochkind_at_JHU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Ha! I found the citation I was thinking of. (Apparently I have
some
> reference skills after all).
>
> Lee, H-L (2000) What is a collection?. Journal of the
> American Society for
> Information Science; 51 (12) Oct 2000, p.1106-13
>
> "Examines 4 presumptions associated with library collections:
> tangibility, ownership, */a/* user community and an
> integrated retrieval
> mechanism. Some of these presumptions have served only to
perpetuate
> misconceptions of */collection/*. Others seem to have become
more
> relevant in the current information environment. The emergence
of
> non-traditional media, such as the World Wide Web, poses 2
specific
> challenges: to question the necessity of finite collections
> and contest
> the boundaries of */a collection/*. */A/* critical analysis of
these
> issues results in */a/* proposal for an expanded concept of
> */collection/* that considers the perspectives of both the
> user and the
> */collection/* developer, invites rigorous user-centred
research and
> looks at the */collection/* as an information-seeking
> context. (Original
> abstract - amended)"
>
>
> I highly reccommend this article. Here, I'll try to give you
> a COinS even:
> |<span class="Z3988"
> title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004|&issn=0002-8231&volume=51&issue=12&
spage=1106&epage=13&date=2000%2D10>
&genre=article&aulast=Lee&auinit=H%2DL&title=Journal%20of%20th
> e%20American%20Society%20for%20Information%20Science&atitle=Wh
at%20is%20a%20collection%3F|"></span>
>
> (Yeah, yeah, that's a terrible not-to-spec COinS. Not sure
> the best way
> to easily generate one that is in this situation?)
>
> Another choice quote (what have we done to address this in the
past 7
> years?)
>
> "Unfortunately, the gaps in a library's OPAC cause a major
hurdle for
> users. They frustrate users by making part of the collection
> inaccessible from the main entry point into the collection:
> the OPAC. It
> also burdens users by forcing them to switch among a number
> of different
> information retrieval systems (IRSs) to find all materials in a
> library's collection. Although it is desirable from the user's
> perspective to access all information items through an
integrated IRS,
> this is not the case at present in many American libraries. In
system
> design, information professionals - librarians in particular -
need to
> take this consideration seriously. In other words, an
integrated
> retrieval system should be an indispensable element of a
> well-developed
> collection."
>
> [...]
>
> "A tricky question is whether remote information resources are
part of
> the library collection, for they are not physically collocated
> there - they may be distributed on separate servers and
> accessible only
> through an electronic network. In librarianship, there have
been a few
> examples that provide precedents of a collection without being
> physically collocated. One of them is the concept of a national
> collection.[Note 4
> <http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/72514560/
main.html,ftx_abs#NOTE4>]
> Since 1988, Australian librarians have vigorously promoted
> the formation
> of a /Distributed National Collection/ (Waters, [1992
> <http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/72514560/
main.html,ftx_abs#BIB41>]).
>
>
> It seems unhelpful to debate whether or not a group of
> objects, tangible
> and/or virtual, physically collocated or distributed, qualify
to be a
> collection on a purely ideological level. Collections are
> developed for
> the purpose of serving users' information needs. The conceptual
> understanding of a collection must fulfill this practical
> purpose. Thus,
> how users perceive a collection during information seeking, how
> developers do so during collection development, and how a
concept of
> collection can facilitate information seeking are more
pertinent
> considerations."
>
>
> Jonathan
>
> |
>
>
> Jonathan Rochkind wrote:
> > Part of 'collections' is the _choosing_ what to
> include---whether it's
> > hosted locally or remotely. That is probably the important
> > part---whether it should be hosted locally or remotely is
> a question
> > of what service we want to provide, and whether that service
CAN be
> > hosted remotely at the level we want, or whether it needs
> to be hosted
> > locally. And what the costs associated with both are. For
> both digital
> > OR physical items! Many of our libraries even host
> physical items off
> > site. Of course, hosting digital items off site is generally
more
> > feasible, with less drop of service quality to the patron.
> But as Eric
> > says, hosting digital content locally may let you offer
> better quality
> > service. And there's also the issue of preservation---but
libraries
> > are now exploring even preservations off-site and
> consortial, for both
> > physical and digital. (What's the company/consortium that
acquires
> > perpetual archiving rights to digital materials so your
library can
> > subscribe to it, instead of worrying about it themselves?).
> >
> > In the present and future, our collections will be
multi-levelled.
> > We'll have some things on site. We'll have some things off
> site. We'll
> > have some things provided by vendors, and some things
provided by
> > consortial arrangements. We'll have some things that we
> "curate", and
> > some things that we help the users find out in the big wide
> > Information Universe that we didn't choose at all.
> >
> > There's a really good article on "what is a collection" in
> the digital
> > age, that's like 10 years old already but still good--but
> now I can't
> > remember enough about the citation to find the article!
(How's that
> > for a reference question). If I could remember it, I'd
> reccommend it.
> > Despite being 10 years old, it's about the exact same
> convesrsation we
> > are having now---to me indicating how SHORT a distance our
> profession
> > has gone in the past 10 years. We are not dealing with
> what we need to
> > be dealing with.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> >> Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we
need to
> >> think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> >> generation' library thing":
> >>
> >> * Why "collect"? Don't you mean "provide access to" or
> >> "provide records that link to"? --Dan Lester
> >>
> >> * To me the question is not "what's in it?" but "what
does it
> >> connect to?" and "what are it's services?" --Karen
Coyle
> >>
> >> * And I got: I want to help people build their own
personal
> >> branch of the One Big Library, and to help them build
> their own
> >> customized catalogue to that branch. --William Denton
> >>
> >> IMHO, collections without services are useless, and
> services without
> >> collections are empty. A library needs both collections
> AND services
> >> in order to practice librarianship.
> >>
> >> One part of librarianship is collection and preservation.
Copying
> >> things locally is not necessary for providing services
against an
> >> index (catalog), but creating local collections, whether
they be
> >> analog or digital, does offer two additional opportunities:
1) it
> >> allows you to archive/preserve the materials, and 2) it
provides a
> >> way to index and display content in ways better meeting
> the needs of
> >> your clientele. Put other ways, "Lot's of copies keep stuff
safe",
> >> and "I don't need your stinkin' interface, just give me the
data."
> >>
> >> A few years ago there was an Internet mantra, "Content is
king."
> >> These days it seem to be more like, "Context is king",
> but I believe
> >> it is really a combination of the two. Content and context.
> >> Collections and services. Great libraries will provide
both.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Eric Lease Morgan
> >> University Libraries of Notre Dame
> >>
> >
>
> --
> Jonathan Rochkind
> Sr. Programmer/Analyst
> The Sheridan Libraries
> Johns Hopkins University
> 410.516.8886
> rochkind (at) jhu.edu
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:23:14 -0700
> From: Julie Moore <julie.renee.moore_at_GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Workshop announcement - Metadata Standards and
> Applications, April 25-26, Davis, CA
>
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> ** This message is being cross-posted. Apologies for
duplication.**
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
> The Access, Collections, and Technical Services Section of
> the California
> Library Association (CLA ACTSS) is sponsoring an ALCTS/LC
> workshop "Metadata
>
> Standards and Applications" on April 25-26 in Davis,
California.
>
> This two-day workshop is the second course in the series
> "Cataloging for the
> 21st Century." The goal of the course is to relate what
> attendees already
> know about library catalog metadata to digital library
> metadata, thereby
> preparing them to apply their current knowledge to new areas.
> The course
> explores the following topics:
> . Introduction to digital libraries
> . Metadata models
> . Overview of metadata standards and applications
> . Metadata interoperability and distribution
> . Controlled vocabulary use in metadata
> . Application profiles
> . Quality considerations and monitoring metadata
> developments
>
> This course is designed for practicing catalogers (with or
without MLS
> degrees) from all types of libraries, with a working
> knowledge of MARC and
> concepts of bibliographic control.
>
> Luiz Mendes (Electronic Resources Librarian) and Mary Woodley
> (Collection
> Development Coordinator), from California State University,
> Northridge, will
> be the instructors for the course.
>
> The workshop is limited to 25 people. Registration fee is
> $150 (CLA members)
> or $190 (non-CLA members). For more information and to
> register for the
> workshop, please visit the ACTSS website:
> http://cla-net.org/aboutcla/actss.php/.
>
> Please note: ACTSS and Southern California Technical
> Processes Group will
> co-sponsor the same workshop in May, which will be held in
Northridge,
> California (check
> http://library.csun.edu/sctpg/meta_appspring2007.html for
> more information).
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Xiaoli Li
> President, ACTSS
> University of California, Davis
> Davis, CA
> Phone: 530-752-6735
> Email: xlli_at_ucdavis.edu
>
> --
> Julie Renee Moore
> Catalogue Librarian
> California State University, Fresno
> julie.renee.moore_at_gmail.com
>
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> <div style="direction: ltr;"> ** This message is being
> cross-posted. Apologies for duplication.**<br><br>Dear
> Colleagues:<br><br>The Access, Collections, and Technical
> Services Section of the California<br>Library Association
> (CLA ACTSS) is sponsoring an ALCTS/LC workshop "Metadata
> <br>Standards and Applications" on April 25-26 in Davis,
> California.<br><br>This two-day workshop is the second course
> in the series "Cataloging for the<br>21st Century."
> The goal of the course is to relate what attendees already
> <br>know about library catalog metadata to digital library
> metadata, thereby<br>preparing them to apply their current
> knowledge to new areas. The course<br>explores the following
> topics:<br>. Introduction
> to digital libraries
> <br>. Metadata models<br>.
> Overview of metadata
> standards and applications<br>.
> Metadata interoperability and distribution<br>.
> Controlled vocabulary use in
> metadata<br>. Application
profiles
> <br>. Quality
> considerations and monitoring metadata
> developments<br><br>This course is designed for practicing
> catalogers (with or without MLS<br>degrees) from all types of
> libraries, with a working knowledge of MARC and
> <br>concepts of bibliographic control.<br><br>Luiz Mendes
> (Electronic Resources Librarian) and Mary Woodley
> (Collection<br>Development Coordinator), from California
> State University, Northridge, will<br>be the instructors for
> the course.
> <br><br>The workshop is limited to 25 people. Registration
> fee is $150 (CLA members)<br>or $190 (non-CLA members). For
> more information and to register for the<br>workshop, please
> visit the ACTSS website:<br><a
> href="http://cla-net.org/aboutcla/actss.php/" target="_blank"
> onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
>
>
> http://cla-net.org/aboutcla/actss.php/</a>.<br><br>Please
> note: ACTSS and Southern California Technical Processes Group
> will<br>co-sponsor the same workshop in May, which will be
> held in Northridge,<br>California (check
> <a
> href="http://library.csun.edu/sctpg/meta_appspring2007.html"
> target="_blank" onclick="return
> top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
> http://library.csun.edu/sctpg/meta_appspring2007.html</a>
> for<br>more information).<br><br>Please let me know if
> you have any questions.<br><br>Thank you.<br></div>
> <span><br><span name="st">Xiaoli</span> <span
> name="st">Li</span><br>President, ACTSS<br>University of
> California, Davis<br>Davis, CA<br>Phone:
> 530-752-6735<br>Email: <a href="mailto:xlli_at_ucdavis.edu"
> target="_blank" onclick="return
> top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
>
>
> xlli_at_ucdavis.edu</a></span><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Julie
> Renee Moore<br>Catalogue Librarian<br>California State
> University, Fresno<br><a
> href="mailto:julie.renee.moore_at_gmail.com" target="_blank"
> onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
>
> julie.renee.moore_at_gmail.com</a><br><br>
>
> ------=_Part_112664_19687209.1174324994729--
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:23:53 -0500
> From: "Hahn, Harvey" <hhahn_at_AHML.INFO>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> |Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we
need to
> |think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> |generation' library thing":
> |
> | * Why "collect"? Don't you mean "provide access to" or
> | "provide records that link to"? --Dan Lester
> |
> | * To me the question is not "what's in it?" but "what does
it
> | connect to?" and "what are it's services?" --Karen Coyle
>
> I think there's always a "collection" involved. The real
question, I
> think, is who owns it? Does the local library own all or
> some of it, or
> do one or more remote sites own part or all of it (e.g., the
fully
> digital library)? The "services" attitude is, I think,
directly
> influenced by the "rental" attitude of today's consumers.
> For example,
> I *own* my personal DVD collection; many/most other people
> *rent* their
> DVDs. Either way, you pay, and there is the ability to view
the DVDs.
> However, down the road, as "older" and less-used content is
> removed from
> the market, the renters can no longer view some DVDs that they
used to
> because they are no longer available; on the other hand, since
I
> personally own them, I *can* still view them. Thus, the
renters "pay"
> again in that access is no longer available to particular
> content. This
> is the part related to collections and services that I have not
yet
> heard here: there is increasing risk related to access as we
> become more
> and more dependent on online digital content. Conservation and
> preservation of digital content for the future becomes
virtually
> impossible because the content is owned and controlled by
> others (mostly
> with commercial interests) and is governed by the DMCA. If
content is
> withdrawn or available only at exhorbitant costs, where do
libraries
> stand and what have we gained with an emphasis on electronic
access,
> which is tenuous at best because it is out of our control.
> Anyway, just
> some more food for thought...
>
> Harvey
>
> --
> ===========================================
> Harvey E. Hahn, Manager, Technical Services Department
> Arlington Heights (Illinois) Memorial Library
> 847/506-2644 - FX: 847/506-2650 - Email: hhahn(at)ahml(dot)info
> OML & Scripts web pages: http://www.ahml.info/oml/
> Personal web pages: http://users.anet.com/~packrat
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:04:16 -0600
> From: Dan Lester <dan_at_RIVEROFDATA.COM>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> ---- Original message ----------------------------------------
> From: "Eric Lease Morgan" <emorgan_at_ND.EDU>
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Received: 3/19/2007 8:32:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] what is in this "next generation"
> library catalog thing?
>
> >IMHO, collections without services are useless, and
> services without
> >collections are empty. A library needs both collections
> AND services
> >in order to practice librarianship.
>
> I don't think anyone would disagree with you, but the
> question was about the Next Generation CATALOG, not about
> Next Generation SERVICES. Yes, the catalog is one of the
> services, but certainly not the only one.
>
> >A few years ago there was an Internet mantra, "Content is
king."
> >These days it seem to be more like, "Context is king", but
> I believe
> >it is really a combination of the two. Content and context.
> >Collections and services. Great libraries will provide both.
>
> Yes, they will.
>
>
> Show Up, Suit Up, Shut Up, and Follow Directions
> dan_at_riverofdata.com
> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:33:52 -0400
> From: Andrew Nagy <andrew.nagy_at_VILLANOVA.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
> Danielle Plumer wrote:
> > "Prior art" is the way to attack patents such as these, as
> Nancy states.
> >
> > The Open Source Development Laboratories has an "Open
> Source as Prior Art" site at http://osapa.org/. The goal is
> to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging as
> necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the
> development of new software tools.
> >
> I have been surfing around the Wayback Machine on archive.org
to find
> instances of Faceted searching, but have not found much. It's
hard to
> find a site on the wayback machine that has more than the
> front page. I
> have looked at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and since I cannot
use the
> searching mechanism it's hard to find instances of faceted
search
> results, but even so I haven't found good instances of
> faceted browsing
> with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that is.
>
> Andrew
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:36:18 -0400
> From: Shawn Carraway <carraways_at_MIDLANDSTECH.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
> Didn't Visivismo have faceted browsing? I remember folders
> or something
> similar.
>
> Shawn
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> > [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Nagy
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM
> > To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> > Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation: what's
> > the impact?
> >
> > Danielle Plumer wrote:
> > > "Prior art" is the way to attack patents such as these, as
> > Nancy states.
> > >
> > > The Open Source Development Laboratories has an "Open
> > Source as Prior Art" site at http://osapa.org/. The goal is
> > to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging as
> > necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the
> > development of new software tools.
> > >
> > I have been surfing around the Wayback Machine on
> archive.org to find
> > instances of Faceted searching, but have not found much.
> It's hard to
> > find a site on the wayback machine that has more than the
> > front page. I
> > have looked at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and since I
> cannot use the
> > searching mechanism it's hard to find instances of faceted
search
> > results, but even so I haven't found good instances of
> > faceted browsing
> > with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that is.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:59 -0400
> From: "Kathleen M. Folger" <kfolger_at_UMICH.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
> Northern Lights used folders to organize the results of a
> search at least
> as far back as 2000.
> http://web.archive.org/web/20000304104725/www.northernlight.co
> m/docs/custom_folders.html
>
> -Kathleen
>
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Shawn Carraway wrote:
>
> > Didn't Visivismo have faceted browsing? I remember folders
> or something
> > similar.
> >
> > Shawn
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> >> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Nagy
> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM
> >> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation: what's
> >> the impact?
> >>
> >> Danielle Plumer wrote:
> >>> "Prior art" is the way to attack patents such as these, as
> >> Nancy states.
> >>>
> >>> The Open Source Development Laboratories has an "Open
> >> Source as Prior Art" site at http://osapa.org/. The goal is
> >> to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging as
> >> necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the
> >> development of new software tools.
> >>>
> >> I have been surfing around the Wayback Machine on
> archive.org to find
> >> instances of Faceted searching, but have not found much.
> It's hard to
> >> find a site on the wayback machine that has more than the
> >> front page. I
> >> have looked at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and since I
> cannot use the
> >> searching mechanism it's hard to find instances of faceted
search
> >> results, but even so I haven't found good instances of
> >> faceted browsing
> >> with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that is.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:36:22 -0700
> From: Steve Watkins <Steve_Watkins_at_CSUMB.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
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>
> This may have already been mentioned on this list, but
> Northern Light was=
> a search engine that created folders that served as facets
> as far back a=
> s 1997/98. See
> http://web.archive.org/web/19980206192654/http://www.north=
> ernlight.com/ for an example.
>
> --Steve
>
> Steve Watkins
> Coordinator of Technology Development
> CSU Monterey Bay Library
> steve_watkins_at_csumb.edu
>
> Next generation catalogs for libraries
> <NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu> writes:
> >Didn't Visivismo have faceted browsing? I remember folders
> or something
> >similar.
> >
> >Shawn
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> >> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew Nagy
> >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM
> >> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> >> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation: what's
> >> the impact?
> >>
> >> Danielle Plumer wrote:
> >> > "Prior art" is the way to attack patents such as these, as
> >> Nancy states.
> >> >
> >> > The Open Source Development Laboratories has an "Open
> >> Source as Prior Art" site at http://osapa.org/. The goal is
> >> to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging as
> >> necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the
> >> development of new software tools.
> >> >
> >> I have been surfing around the Wayback Machine on
> archive.org to find
> >> instances of Faceted searching, but have not found much.
> It's hard to
> >> find a site on the wayback machine that has more than the
> >> front page. I
> >> have looked at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and since I
> cannot use the
> >> searching mechanism it's hard to find instances of faceted
search
> >> results, but even so I haven't found good instances of
> >> faceted browsing
> >> with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that is.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
>
>
>
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> ttp://www.northernlight.com/</a> for an example.<br />
> <br />
> --Steve<br />
> <br />
> Steve Watkins<br />
> Coordinator of Technology Development<br />
> CSU Monterey Bay Library<br />
> <a
> href=3D=22mailto:steve_watkins=40csumb.edu=22>steve_watkins=40
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> have faceted bro=
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> <br />
> Shawn<br />
> <br />
> > -----Original Message-----<br />
> > From: Next generation catalogs for libraries<br />
> > =5B<a href=3D=22mailto:NGC4LIB=40listserv.nd.edu=22
> target=3D=22_blank=
> =22>mailto:NGC4LIB=40listserv.nd.edu</a>=5D On Behalf Of
> Andrew Nagy<br />
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM<br />
> > To: <a
>
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> v.nd.edu</a><br />
> > Subject: Re: =5BNGC4LIB=5D Patents on faceted
> navigation: what's<br />
> > the impact?<br />
> ><br />
> > Danielle Plumer wrote:<br />
> > > "Prior art" is the way to attack patents
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> goal is<br />
> > to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging as<br
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> > necessary, "poor quality" patents that
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:08:41 -0500
> From: "Hahn, Harvey" <hhahn_at_AHML.INFO>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C76A73.2761A066
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> charset="us-ascii"
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>
> The Northern Light "Custom Search Folders" patent (5,924,090)
was
> applied for on May 1, 1997 (which is why NL could claim
> "patent pending"
> when it opened to the public on August 5) and was granted on
July 13,
> 1999. (The inventor, by the way, was Marc F. Krellenstein of
Chestnut
> Hill, MA, with Northern Light Technology LLC of Cambridge,
> MA, being the
> assignee.)
> =20
> Additionally, from the prior message below, the name is spelled
> "Vivisimo" and its Web search engine is now called "Clusty"
(the
> clustering search engine) at http://clusty.com/.
> =20
> All FWIW.
> =20
> Harvey
> --=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3
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> Harvey E. Hahn, Manager, Technical Services Department=20
> Arlington Heights (Illinois) Memorial Library=20
> 847/506-2644 - FX: 847/506-2650 - Email:
hhahn(at)ahml(dot)info=20
> OML & Scripts web pages: http://www.ahml.info/oml/=20
> Personal web pages: http://users.anet.com/~packrat=20
> =20
> =20
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Watkins
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation:
> what's the
> impact?
> =09
> =09
> This may have already been mentioned on this list,
> but Northern
> Light was a search engine that created folders that served as
> facets as
> far back as 1997/98. See
> http://web.archive.org/web/19980206192654/http://www.northernl
> ight.com/
> for an example.
> =09
> --Steve
> =09
> Steve Watkins
> Coordinator of Technology Development
> CSU Monterey Bay Library
> steve_watkins_at_csumb.edu
> =09
> Next generation catalogs for libraries
> <NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu>
> writes:
> Didn't Visivismo have faceted browsing? I remember
folders or
> something
> similar.
> =09
> Shawn
> =09
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> > [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Andrew
Nagy
> > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM
> > To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> > Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation:
what's
> > the impact?
> >
> > Danielle Plumer wrote:
> > > "Prior art" is the way to attack patents such as
these, as
> > Nancy states.
> > >
> > > The Open Source Development Laboratories has an
"Open
> > Source as Prior Art" site at http://osapa.org/. The
goal is
> > to protect innovation by reviewing, and challenging
as
> > necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the
> > development of new software tools.
> > >
> > I have been surfing around the Wayback Machine on
> archive.org
> to find
> > instances of Faceted searching, but have not found
> much. It's
> hard to
> > find a site on the wayback machine that has more than
the
> > front page. I
> > have looked at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and
> since I cannot
> use the
> > searching mechanism it's hard to find instances of
faceted
> search
> > results, but even so I haven't found good instances
of
> > faceted browsing
> > with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that
is.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> =09
> =09
>
>
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> face=3D"Courier New"=20
> color=3D#008000 size=3D2><EM>The Northern Light "Custom
> Search Folders" =
> patent=20
> (5,924,090</EM><EM>) was applied for on May 1, 1997 (which is
why NL =
> could claim=20
> "patent pending" when it opened to the public on August 5) and
was =
> granted on=20
> July 13, 1999. (The inventor, by the way, was Marc F.
> Krellenstein =
> of=20
> Chestnut Hill, MA, with Northern Light Technology LLC of
> Cambridge, MA, =
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class=3D096214321-19032007><FONT =
> face=3D"Courier New"=20
> color=3D#008000 size=3D2><EM>Additionally, from the =
> prior message below,=20
> the name is spelled "Vivisimo" and its Web search engine
is now =
> called=20
> "Clusty" (the clustering search engine) at <A=20
> href=3D"http://clusty.com/">http://clusty.com/</EM><EM></A>.</
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT=20
> face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 =
> size=3D2></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT=20
> face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 size=3D2>All =
> FWIW.</FONT></EM></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT=20
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> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT=20
> face=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 =
> size=3D2>Harvey</FONT></EM></SPAN><SPAN=20
> class=3D096214321-19032007><BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT
> face=3D"Courier =
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> size=3D2>--</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT
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> PAN> <BR><SPAN=20
> lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>Harvey E.
Hahn, =
> Manager, Technical=20
> Services Department</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT
=
> face=3D"Courier New"=20
> size=3D2>Arlington Heights (Illinois) Memorial
Library</FONT></SPAN> =
> <BR><SPAN=20
> lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>847/506-2644 -
FX: =
> 847/506-2650 -=20
> Email: hhahn(at)ahml(dot)info</FONT></SPAN> <BR><SPAN
> lang=3Den-us><FONT =
>
> face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2>OML & Scripts web pages:
<A=20
> href=3D"http://www.ahml.info/oml/">http://www.ahml.info/oml/</
A></FONT></=
> SPAN>=20
> <BR><SPAN lang=3Den-us><FONT face=3D"Courier New"
> size=3D2>Personal web =
> pages: <A=20
> href=3D"http://users.anet.com/~packrat">http://users.anet.com/
> ~packrat</A=
> ></FONT></SPAN>=20
> </DIV>
> <DIV></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Courier New" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV><BR></DIV>
> <BLOCKQUOTE=20
> style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
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> solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr
> align=3Dleft>
> <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Next generation
> catalogs for =
> libraries=20
> [mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve=20
> Watkins<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 19, 2007 3:36
> PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
> NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [NGC4LIB]
> Patents on =
> faceted=20
> navigation: what's the impact?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
> <DIV></DIV><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; =
> FONT-FAMILY: Verdana"=20
> face=3DVerdana color=3D#000000 size=3D+0>This may have
> already been =
> mentioned on=20
> this list, but Northern Light was a search engine that
> created folders =
> that=20
> served as facets as far back as 1997/98. See <A=20
> =
> href=3D"http://web.archive.org/web/19980206192654/http://www.n
> orthernligh=
> t.com/"=20
> =
> target=3D_blank>http://web.archive.org/web/19980206192654/http
://www.nort=
> hernlight.com/</A> for=20
> an example.<BR><BR>--Steve<BR><BR>Steve
Watkins<BR>Coordinator of =
> Technology=20
> Development<BR>CSU Monterey Bay Library<BR><A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:steve_watkins_at_csumb.edu">steve_watkins_at_csumb.ed
u</A><BR><B=
> R></FONT><FONT=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"
=
> face=3DArial=20
> color=3D#000000 size=3D+0><B>Next generation catalogs for
> libraries =
> <<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu">NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.ed
u</A>>=20
> writes:<BR></B></FONT><SPAN style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:
> #d0d0d0"><FONT=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 9pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: Geneva"
=
> face=3DGeneva=20
> color=3D#000000 size=3D-1>Didn't Visivismo have faceted
browsing? =
> I remember=20
> folders or something<BR>similar.<BR><BR>Shawn<BR><BR>> =
> -----Original=20
> Message-----<BR>> From: Next generation catalogs for =
> libraries<BR>> [<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu"=20
> target=3D_blank>mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu</A>] On Behalf
Of =
> Andrew=20
> Nagy<BR>> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 3:34 PM<BR>> To:
<A=20
> =
> href=3D"mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu">NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.ed
u</A><BR>&g=
> t;=20
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation:
> what's<BR>> =
> the=20
> impact?<BR>><BR>> Danielle Plumer wrote:<BR>> >
"Prior =
> art" is the=20
> way to attack patents such as these, as<BR>> Nancy
> states.<BR>>=20
> ><BR>> > The Open Source Development Laboratories
has an=20
> "Open<BR>> Source as Prior Art" site at
> http://osapa.org/. The goal =
>
> is<BR>> to protect innovation by reviewing, and
challenging =
> as<BR>>=20
> necessary, "poor quality" patents that threaten the<BR>> =
> development of new=20
> software tools.<BR>> ><BR>> I have been surfing
> around the =
> Wayback=20
> Machine on archive.org to find<BR>> instances of Faceted
> searching, =
> but=20
> have not found much. It's hard to<BR>> find a site
on the =
> wayback=20
> machine that has more than the<BR>> front page.
I<BR>> =
> have looked=20
> at dell.com, ebay.com, cnet.com and since I cannot use
the<BR>> =
> searching=20
> mechanism it's hard to find instances of faceted
search<BR>> =
> results, but=20
> even so I haven't found good instances of<BR>> faceted =
> browsing<BR>>=20
> with results on the same screen. Before 2001 that =
> is.<BR>><BR>>=20
> Andrew<BR>><BR></FONT></SPAN><FONT=20
> style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY:
Verdana" =
> face=3DVerdana=20
> color=3D#000000
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:15:19 -0400
> From: Charley Pennell <cpennell_at_UNITY.NCSU.EDU>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Harvey-
>
> Are you sure that the correct analogy is the "rental attitude
of
> today's consumers". If there is any trend in U.S. publishing
today it
> is towards authors and, more particularly, publishers retaining
rights
> to their work, especially after passage of the 75 year
copyright
> legislation. I'm sure that it is not an accident that this is
just
> about the average lifespan of a human being. Many consumers
> think that
> they have "bought" a recording, software, an e-book, etc. only
to find
> that they have only licensed it, with a lot of the rights
> traditionally
> held by the print purchaser (right to copy for one's own use,
right to
> lend or sell, etc.), now subject to restriction and possibly
> additional
> charges. As owner of a collection of DVDs, you may possess
> them at the
> moment but your use is restricted to personal viewing only.
You can't
> rent a theatre and show the contents like you could do with
> films in the
> old days. Or post portions to YouTube, for that matter. Plus,
who
> knows how long that DVD will last before it self-destructs.
>
> Charley
>
> Hahn, Harvey wrote:
> > Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> > |Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we
need to
> > |think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> > |generation' library thing":
> > |
> > | * Why "collect"? Don't you mean "provide access to" or
> > | "provide records that link to"? --Dan Lester
> > |
> > | * To me the question is not "what's in it?" but "what
does it
> > | connect to?" and "what are it's services?" --Karen
Coyle
> >
> > I think there's always a "collection" involved. The real
> question, I
> > think, is who owns it? Does the local library own all or
> some of it, or
> > do one or more remote sites own part or all of it (e.g., the
fully
> > digital library)? The "services" attitude is, I think,
directly
> > influenced by the "rental" attitude of today's consumers.
> For example,
> > I *own* my personal DVD collection; many/most other people
> *rent* their
> > DVDs. Either way, you pay, and there is the ability to
> view the DVDs.
> > However, down the road, as "older" and less-used content is
> removed from
> > the market, the renters can no longer view some DVDs that
> they used to
> > because they are no longer available; on the other hand,
since I
> > personally own them, I *can* still view them. Thus, the
> renters "pay"
> > again in that access is no longer available to particular
> content. This
> > is the part related to collections and services that I have
not yet
> > heard here: there is increasing risk related to access as
> we become more
> > and more dependent on online digital content. Conservation
and
> > preservation of digital content for the future becomes
virtually
> > impossible because the content is owned and controlled by
> others (mostly
> > with commercial interests) and is governed by the DMCA. If
> content is
> > withdrawn or available only at exhorbitant costs, where do
libraries
> > stand and what have we gained with an emphasis on electronic
access,
> > which is tenuous at best because it is out of our control.
> Anyway, just
> > some more food for thought...
> >
> > Harvey
> >
> > --
> > ===========================================
> > Harvey E. Hahn, Manager, Technical Services Department
> > Arlington Heights (Illinois) Memorial Library
> > 847/506-2644 - FX: 847/506-2650 - Email:
hhahn(at)ahml(dot)info
> > OML & Scripts web pages: http://www.ahml.info/oml/
> > Personal web pages: http://users.anet.com/~packrat
> >
>
> --
> __________________________________
__________________________________
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> Charley Pennell
mailto:cpennell_at_unity.ncsu.edu
> Principal Cataloger for Metadata voice:
(919)515-2743
> Metadata and Cataloging Department fax:
(919)515-7292
> NCSU Libraries, Box 7111
> North Carolina State University
> Raleigh, NC 27695-7111
>
> Adjunct Librarian, Memorial University of Newfoundland
> World Wide Web:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hillwilliam/chuckhome.html
> __________________________________
__________________________________
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:36:11 -0000
> From: David Pattern <d.c.pattern_at_HUD.AC.UK>
> Subject: Re: Patents on faceted navigation: what's the impact?
>
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> The late Dr. Steve Pollitt was working on OPAC "view-based
> searching" (i.e.=
> facets) in the early 1990s and, I believe, is cited in the
> Endeca patent. =
> I'm sure there was a working test system based on the
> University of Hudder=
> sfield's library catalogue in the late 1990s (probably 1998).
>
> http://www.oclc.org/research/dss/pollitt.htm
>
> It's to our eternal shame that the library director at the
> time refused t=
> o co-operate in Steve's request to pilot his system in the live
OPAC.
>
> By around 2001, he was regularly demoing an test OPAC
> interface (that use=
> d facets) of Dewey at conferences in the UK. Sadly Steve
> passed away befor=
> e I took up position as the Library Systems Manager,
> otherwise I would have=
> pushed strongly for his pioneering work to be integrated
> into our live OPA=
> C.
>
> In a weird piece of serendipity, the same technology park in
> which Steve =
> set up his company ("View Based Systems") that specialised in
> implementing =
> facetted searching also houses a gallery named "North Light":
> http://www.no=
> rthlightgallery.org.uk/
>
> regards
> Dave Pattern
> Library Systems Manager
> University of Huddersfield
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Next generation catalogs for libraries on behalf of Hahn,
Harvey
> Sent: Mon 19/03/2007 22:08
> To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Patents on faceted navigation: what's
> the impact?
>
>
> The Northern Light "Custom Search Folders" patent (5,924,090)
> was applied=
> for on May 1, 1997 (which is why NL could claim "patent
> pending" when it o=
> pened to the public on August 5) and was granted on July 13,
> 1999. (The in=
> ventor, by the way, was Marc F. Krellenstein of Chestnut
> Hill, MA, with Nor=
> thern Light Technology LLC of Cambridge, MA, being the
assignee.)
>
> Additionally, from the prior message below, the name is
> spelled "Vivisimo=
> " and its Web search engine is now called "Clusty" (the
> clustering search e=
> ngine) at http://clusty.com/.
>
> All FWIW.
>
> Harvey
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000
> size=3D2>The late Dr. S=
> teve Pollitt was working on OPAC "view-based searching" (i.e.
> facets) in th=
> e early 1990s and, I believe, is cited in the Endeca
> patent. I'm sure=
> there was a working test system based on the University
> of Huddersfie=
> ld's library catalogue in the late 1990s (probably
> 1998). </FONT=
> ></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000
> size=3D2></FONT> <=
> /DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size=3D2><A
> href=3D"htt=
> p://www.oclc.org/research/dss/pollitt.htm">http://www.oclc.org
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> /pollitt.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000
> size=3D2></FONT> <=
> /DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000000
> size=3D2>It's to our et=
> ernal shame that the library director at the time refused to
> co-operate in =
> Steve's request to pilot his system in the live
OPAC.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By around 2001, he
> was regular=
> ly demoing an test OPAC interface (that used facets) of Dewey
> at conference=
> s in the UK. Sadly Steve passed away before I took up
> position as the=
> Library Systems Manager, otherwise I would have pushed
> strongly for h=
> is pioneering work to be integrated into our live
> OPAC.</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In a weird piece
> of serendipit=
> y, the same technology park in which Steve set up
> his company ("V=
> iew Based Systems") that specialised in implementing facetted
> searching als=
> o houses a gallery named "North Light": <A
> href=3D"http://www.northlightgal=
>
lery.org.uk/">http://www.northlightgallery.org.uk/</A></FONT></DI
V>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave
Pattern</FONT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Library Systems
> Manager</FONT>=
> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>University of
> Huddersfield</FO=
> NT></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><FONT face=3DArial
size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr><BR>
> <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
> <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Next generation
> catalogs for li=
> braries on behalf of Hahn, Harvey<BR><B>Sent:</B> Mon
> 19/03/2007 22:08<BR><=
> B>To:</B> NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
> [NGC4LIB] Patents =
> on faceted navigation: what's the impact?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
> <DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><FONT face=
> =3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 size=3D2><EM>The Northern
> Light "Custom Se=
> arch Folders" patent (5,924,090</EM><EM>) was applied for on
> May 1, 1997 (w=
> hich is why NL could claim "patent pending" when it opened to
> the public on=
> August 5) and was granted on July 13, 1999. (The
> inventor, by the wa=
> y, was Marc F. Krellenstein of Chestnut Hill, MA, with
> Northern Light Techn=
> ology LLC of Cambridge, MA, being the
> assignee.)</EM></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT fa=
> ce=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000
> size=3D2></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><FONT face=
> =3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 size=3D2><EM>Additionally,
> from the p=
> rior message below, the name is spelled "Vivisimo"
> and its Web se=
> arch engine is now called "Clusty" (the clustering search
> engine) at <=
> A
> href=3D"http://clusty.com/">http://clusty.com/</EM><EM></A>.</
EM></FONT><=
> /SPAN></DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT fa=
> ce=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000
> size=3D2></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT fa=
> ce=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000 size=3D2>All
> FWIW.</FONT></EM></SPAN></D=
> IV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT fa=
> ce=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000
> size=3D2></FONT></EM></SPAN> </DIV>
> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN
> class=3D096214321-19032007><EM><FONT fa=
> ce=3D"Courier New" color=3D#008000
> size=3D2>Harvey</FONT></EM></SPAN><SPAN =
> class=3D096214321-19032007><BR></DIV></SPAN>
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> FONT-FAMILY: Verdana=
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>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:01:57 -0700
> From: DrWeb <drweb2_at_GMAIL.COM>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Using Google Scholar, I found a few actual copies of the
> article online..
> some were class reading documents.. so, I'm not sure this
access to
> read/browse the article is fully "legal," but here goes..
>
> http://courses.washington.edu/lis522ab/readingdocs/Lee-Whatisa
collection.pdf
>
> And one at JHU :)..
> http://www.welch.jhu.edu/about/whatiscollect.pdf
>
> Thanks, Jonathan, for the points and post.. it has been about
> seven years,
> and we still go 'round 'n' 'round..
>
> Best,
> DrWeb
>
> --
> P. Michael McCulley aka DrWeb
> mailto:drweb_at_san.rr.com
> San Diego, CA
> http://drweb.typepad.com/
>
> Quote of the Moment:
> On the other hand, you have different fingers.
> Monday, March 19, 2007 4:53:49 PM
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
> >[mailto:NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Rochkind
> >Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 8:49 AM
> >To: NGC4LIB_at_listserv.nd.edu
> >Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] what is in this "next generation"
> >library catalog thing?
> >
> >Ha! I found the citation I was thinking of. (Apparently I have
some
> >reference skills after all).
> >
> >Lee, H-L (2000) What is a collection?. Journal of the American
> >Society for
> >Information Science; 51 (12) Oct 2000, p.1106-13
> [rest snipped]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:24:16 -0700
> From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle_at_KCOYLE.NET>
> Subject: Re: what is in this "next generation" library catalog
thing?
>
> Eric Lease Morgan wrote:
> > Despite some of the following comments, I still believe we
need to
> > think harder about collections when it comes to this "'next
> > generation' library thing":
> > ...
> >
> > IMHO, collections without services are useless, and services
without
> > collections are empty. A library needs both collections AND
services
> > in order to practice librarianship.
> Yes, you need stuff, and something that you do with stuff. But
I don't
> think we have a "collection" in the same sense as we did when
> "collection" meant "things that the library owns." The concept
of
> collection to me always implies selection and some definition
of
> appropriateness. It doesn't necessarily imply ownership.
>
> In our virtual and networked world, "collection" might be
> closer to the
> term "bibliography" -- that is, an organized group of items
> related to a
> particular topic or investigation, for a particular group of
users,
> whether the library owns them or not. Because it's hard to put
a firm
> line around what is or isn't accessible to a user
> (considering ILL, and
> that new things appear on the net every minute) it makes more
sense to
> organize information than to organize items.
>
> What the library "collects" may in the future be exhibited as
> a "best of
> ...." or "basic readings in...." type of organization of
information
> resources. This is actually a much harder task than
> purchasing a select
> set of items within your budget, because it requires you to
cover a
> wider range of information sources. As for access, I think that
the
> access issues are becoming less pressing as more materials
> are added to
> a shared store of digital copies. It doesn't mean that those
materials
> are "open access" -- but that libraries are able to provide
access now
> to a great wealth of materials that didn't used to be available
beyond
> the few owning institutions. If we don't create our
> "collection" out of
> that vast store, then we are cheating our users.
>
> kc
>
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> Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant
> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net
> ph.: 510-540-7596
> fx.: 510-848-3913
> mo.: 510-435-8234
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